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From "Kevin Sutter" <kwsut...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] OpenJPA Graduation
Date Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:23:06 GMT
I'd vote for the TLP graduation.  At first, I was with Patrick and could be
swayed either way.  But, then just this morning, I noticed that OpenEJP is
going for the TLP graduation, so we might as well follow suit.  And, as
Craig pointed out, it seems to be the general direction to move away from
"umbrella projects".

Kevin

On 4/23/07, Patrick Linskey <plinskey@bea.com> wrote:
>
> I think that I'm about +0.5 for TLP graduation. It seems to make more
> sense, and from what I understand, there is only a minimal amount of
> additional work involved. As the +0.5 indicates, I could be swayed the
> other direction though.
>
> -Patrick
>
> --
> Patrick Linskey
> BEA Systems, Inc.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM [mailto:Craig.Russell@Sun.COM]
> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:35 PM
> > To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] OpenJPA Graduation
> >
> >
> > On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Marc Prud'hommeaux wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I'm personally rather neutral on whether OpenJPA should be
> > a TLP vs. a
> > > sub-project. TLP seems like it allows us more flexibility and
> > > independence, so by default I would lean towards being a TLP.
> >
> > That's my main concern as well.
> > >
> > > However, I do notice that the DB TLP already holds other similar
> > > projects (Torque, OJB, and Apache JDO), so I wonder if the Apache
> > > board would ask questions about why they should be handled
> > > differently.
> >
> > There have been discussions in Apache about umbrella projects
> > being undesirable, and the trend is toward breaking them up
> > where there is no interdependence. There have been concerns
> > expressed at the board level about "DB becoming an umbrella
> > prokect [sic]", and about "if Geronimo is not to become an
> > umbrella". [1]
> >
> > There are benefits in having small projects being part of a
> > bigger TLP. There is no "fixed overhead" for a small project
> > to have a PMC chair to have to report status to the board,
> > maintain committers and PMC members lists, monitor board
> > meetings, monitor incubating projects, and monitor legal and
> > community issues for the board. I don't think OpenJPA should
> > try to avoid responsibility for these tasks.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/
> > board_minutes_2006_01_18.txt
> >
> > >
> > > On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> > >
> > >> OpenJPA has done a great job of forming a diverse
> > community around a
> > >> great code base whose IP has been reviewed and approved
> > for release,
> > >> and we're now a well-functioning, project in the
> > incubator. So we are
> > >> now at the stage when we should think about when and how
> > to leave the
> > >> incubator and graduate to the larger Apache community. The
> > document
> > >> at [1] describes readiness to graduate.
> > >>
> > >> There are two courses for graduating projects: to become an
> > >> independent Apache TLP or to join an existing TLP as a
> > sub- project.
> > >> I believe that OpenJPA should become its own TLP for a few
> > reasons:
> > >> the community is already very diverse and has established a good
> > >> working style; and there is no existing TLP upon which OpenJPA
> > >> depends. There is some synergy with the DB project but no
> > dependency
> > >> relationship.
> > >>
> > >> As a TLP, OpenJPA would operate independent from other TLPs and be
> > >> responsible to the Apache board. As a TLP, the OpenJPA community
> > >> would decide on offering committerships to the project,
> > and what and
> > >> when to release, subject to the regulations of the ASF.
> > >>
> > >> So what does everyone think?
> > >>
> > >> Craig
> > >>
> > >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/
> > >> Process_Description.html#Graduation
> > >>
> > >> Craig Russell
> > >> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System
> > http://java.sun.com/products/
> > >> jdo
> > >> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > Craig Russell
> > Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> > 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
> >
> >
>
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