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From "Patrick Linskey" <plins...@bea.com>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] OpenJPA Graduation
Date Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:56:43 GMT
I think that I'm about +0.5 for TLP graduation. It seems to make more
sense, and from what I understand, there is only a minimal amount of
additional work involved. As the +0.5 indicates, I could be swayed the
other direction though.

-Patrick

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM [mailto:Craig.Russell@Sun.COM] 
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:35 PM
> To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] OpenJPA Graduation
> 
> 
> On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Marc Prud'hommeaux wrote:
> 
> >
> > I'm personally rather neutral on whether OpenJPA should be 
> a TLP vs. a 
> > sub-project. TLP seems like it allows us more flexibility and 
> > independence, so by default I would lean towards being a TLP.
> 
> That's my main concern as well.
> >
> > However, I do notice that the DB TLP already holds other similar 
> > projects (Torque, OJB, and Apache JDO), so I wonder if the Apache 
> > board would ask questions about why they should be handled 
> > differently.
> 
> There have been discussions in Apache about umbrella projects 
> being undesirable, and the trend is toward breaking them up 
> where there is no interdependence. There have been concerns 
> expressed at the board level about "DB becoming an umbrella 
> prokect [sic]", and about "if Geronimo is not to become an 
> umbrella". [1]
> 
> There are benefits in having small projects being part of a 
> bigger TLP. There is no "fixed overhead" for a small project 
> to have a PMC chair to have to report status to the board, 
> maintain committers and PMC members lists, monitor board 
> meetings, monitor incubating projects, and monitor legal and 
> community issues for the board. I don't think OpenJPA should 
> try to avoid responsibility for these tasks.
> 
> Craig
> 
> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/
> board_minutes_2006_01_18.txt
> 
> >
> > On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> >
> >> OpenJPA has done a great job of forming a diverse 
> community around a 
> >> great code base whose IP has been reviewed and approved 
> for release, 
> >> and we're now a well-functioning, project in the 
> incubator. So we are 
> >> now at the stage when we should think about when and how 
> to leave the 
> >> incubator and graduate to the larger Apache community. The 
> document 
> >> at [1] describes readiness to graduate.
> >>
> >> There are two courses for graduating projects: to become an 
> >> independent Apache TLP or to join an existing TLP as a 
> sub- project. 
> >> I believe that OpenJPA should become its own TLP for a few 
> reasons: 
> >> the community is already very diverse and has established a good 
> >> working style; and there is no existing TLP upon which OpenJPA 
> >> depends. There is some synergy with the DB project but no 
> dependency 
> >> relationship.
> >>
> >> As a TLP, OpenJPA would operate independent from other TLPs and be 
> >> responsible to the Apache board. As a TLP, the OpenJPA community 
> >> would decide on offering committerships to the project, 
> and what and 
> >> when to release, subject to the regulations of the ASF.
> >>
> >> So what does everyone think?
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/
> >> Process_Description.html#Graduation
> >>
> >> Craig Russell
> >> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System 
> http://java.sun.com/products/ 
> >> jdo
> >> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
> >>
> >
> 
> Craig Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
> 
> 

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