From open-jpa-dev-return-2137-apmail-incubator-open-jpa-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Feb 13 19:40:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-open-jpa-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 9000 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 19:40:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 19:40:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 32570 invoked by uid 500); 13 Feb 2007 19:40:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-open-jpa-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32545 invoked by uid 500); 13 Feb 2007 19:40:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact open-jpa-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32533 invoked by uid 99); 13 Feb 2007 19:40:45 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:40:45 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.42.249] (HELO nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com) (192.18.42.249) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:40:34 -0800 Received: from d1-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.39.120]) by nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l1DJeD78020540 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-10.sun.com by d1-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JDF00C012K1ZP00@d1-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.145.133.119] by d1-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JDF00HH92N1GT20@d1-sfbay-10.sun.com> for open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:40:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:40:12 -0800 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: [jira] Commented: (OPENJPA-141) More performance improvements (in response to changes for OPENJPA-138) In-reply-to: <19641316.1171394705817.JavaMail.jira@brutus> Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary=Apple-Mail-141--185115222; micalg=sha1 References: <19641316.1171394705817.JavaMail.jira@brutus> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-141--185115222 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Kevin, On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Kevin Sutter (JIRA) wrote: > Kevin Sutter commented on OPENJPA-141: > -------------------------------------- > > Personally, I think I provide sufficient due diligence on the > Issues that I own to stick with the normal "commit then review" > approach. There are many, many changes that get incorporated into > OpenJPA without even a JIRA Issue discussion. So, until I totally > screw up, I don't expect that any committer is going to "totally screw up", and I hope you don't take my comments as accusing you of such. But this issue seems to be full of interesting nuances that might better be discussed before the fact. This issue is already the result of a commit with serious issues raised against it after the fact. So I'm a bit perplexed at the emotional reaction to my request to separate this steer from the herd. > I'm going along with Patrick's comment and will do my normal commit > with the JIRA Issue in the comment field. Certainly this is your choice. Just one final comment. The Apache Way calls for thorough and public discussion on contentious issues, and this is complicated substantially by having the appearance of "shadow implementers", as reflected in your comments in the original JIRA: "I will be working with Abe and my performance team to work through these issues". Craig > >> More performance improvements (in response to changes for >> OPENJPA-138) >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Key: OPENJPA-141 >> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ >> OPENJPA-141 Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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