Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-open-jpa-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 92396 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 13:56:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 13:56:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 19824 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jun 2006 13:55:55 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-open-jpa-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19766 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jun 2006 13:55:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact open-jpa-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19739 invoked by uid 99); 19 Jun 2006 13:55:54 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:55:54 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.42.249] (HELO nwkea-pix-1.sun.com) (192.18.42.249) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:55:47 -0700 Received: from d1-sfbay-01.sun.com ([192.18.39.111]) by nwkea-pix-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k5JDtQrS007696 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-01.sun.com by d1-sfbay-01.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J1300B01VLDQ800@d1-sfbay-01.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (c-24-6-172-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.172.77]) by d1-sfbay-01.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J140011R1C60360@d1-sfbay-01.sun.com> for open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:55:13 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: [Fwd: Wanted: Improving the Maven story for GlassFish...] In-reply-to: <7D856CDFE035FF45A0420ACBD71BDD63015AFFEF@repbex02.amer.bea.com> Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Message-id: <7E647F29-07B3-4C49-96C8-08DE2AAAA8C9@SUN.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary=Apple-Mail-154-619422966; micalg=sha1 References: <7D856CDFE035FF45A0420ACBD71BDD63015AFFEF@repbex02.amer.bea.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-154-619422966 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 19, 2006, at 6:09 AM, Patrick Linskey wrote: > Sun's been doing this across the board with Java EE 5 for a little > while > now. Check out http://java.sun.com/javaee/downloads/index.jsp, and > tell > me how to download the Java EE 5 specs without also downloading > Glassfish. That was before they decided to "mavenize" Glassfish. If you use maven, then you can get bits and pieces and not have to swallow the whole thing. That's what we can exploit for OpenJPA purposes. > Sun appears to have decided to use its alleged "stewardship" > of Java as a means to promote Glassfish. The other explanation is to promote the ease of access to a complete system. Craig > > -Patrick > > -- > Patrick Linskey > BEA Systems, Inc. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM [mailto:Craig.Russell@Sun.COM] >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:47 AM >> To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Wanted: Improving the Maven story for >> GlassFish...] >> >> Not everyone thinks Glassfish should have separately shipped >> the spec jars...It's important to get our input into the >> Glassfish open source project. >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> >> >> >> Craig L Russell wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:27 PM, anonymous wrote: >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> >> >> >> You are talking from a theoretical >> perspective - it might be a >> >> good idea (we went with another good >> idea) to have a separate >> >> downloadable of persistence-api.jar. >> >> I'm not talking theory at all. People just >> don't expect spec api jars to include the reference >> implementation as well. "It's just an implementation" and >> doesn't belong in the same jar. Look at any other spec jar file. >> >> >> >> >> They do. This is how JavaMail is distributed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was talking from the history of how >> it happened - why persistence- api.jar >> >> appeared in the maven repository and >> what that process was called. >> >> At a rush to fulfill Eduardo's request >> to push our persistence impl >> >> jars to the maven repository (called >> "mavenizing" by Eduardo and >> >> everybody else after (?) him) at the >> last minute before J1, we >> >> pushed all 3 jars separately. While >> it's too late to remove >> >> persistence-api.jar (we'll look silly >> keeping only 1 - at some point >> >> outdated - version, and the community >> already reference it), we >> >> are looking at fixing >> toplink-essentials.jar to include persistence API >> >> in order to mirror the downloadable version. >> >> The maven naming convention is robust enough to >> handle different versions of the same artifact. If you're >> looking at having a maintenance release, you could e.g. name >> the artifact persistence- api-1.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar. Then, maven >> will automatically get the latest snapshot that was pushed >> to the site. >> >> >> >> >> That's why I don't want to explain why there might not >> be newer versions, >> >> if we stop pushing persistence-api.jar out. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> -anonymous >> >> >> Craig Russell >> >> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/ >> jdo >> >> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com >> >> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may > contain > information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and > affiliated > entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted > and/or > legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the > individual > or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended > recipient, > and have received this message in error, please immediately return > this > by email and then delete it. Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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