From open-jpa-dev-return-75-apmail-incubator-open-jpa-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sun Jun 04 23:52:03 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-open-jpa-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 52362 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 23:52:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 23:52:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 15789 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jun 2006 23:52:02 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-open-jpa-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 15763 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jun 2006 23:52:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact open-jpa-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 15748 invoked by uid 99); 4 Jun 2006 23:52:01 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:52:01 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: 64.74.244.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of geir@pobox.com) Received: from [64.74.244.71] (HELO chi.mobile-health-diary.com) (64.74.244.71) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:52:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 31486 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 23:51:37 -0000 Received: from ool-43560edb.dyn.optonline.net (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (geir@67.86.14.219) by b014.internal.mobile-health-diary.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 23:51:37 -0000 Message-ID: <44837113.1010907@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:47:31 -0400 From: Geir Magnusson Jr Reply-To: geir@pobox.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: java.util.concurrent References: <7D856CDFE035FF45A0420ACBD71BDD63013733D5@repbex02.amer.bea.com> In-Reply-To: <7D856CDFE035FF45A0420ACBD71BDD63013733D5@repbex02.amer.bea.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Patrick Linskey wrote: >> I don't think the fact your using BEA e-mail is an issue. >> Its really the legal content of the epilogue that I think has >> people concerned. > > Understood. > >> Although someone in the ASF could probably do something I >> think you'd be the first person they did it for :) I think >> modifying the contents of anyone's e-mail is a bad precedent. > > See below. > >> I'm in the same boat as you as my IBM account generated lots >> of additional attatchements that people asked me to remove. >> I cannot configure Notes to do that so I changed to my >> personal account. > > Based on my understanding, many people (yourself included) have run into > this problem. Seems to me as though the Apache community doesn't like > this, and forces all incoming developers to change the way they work in > order to better fit the Apache Way. Seems awfully intrusive from a > new-employee standpoint. Well, yes - there are community standards. For example, we don't like HTML or RTF mail. We don't like non-compliant mail. We prefer if people don't verbally abuse others. Yet all of those are normal ways I've seen people work elsewhere. > > It seems to me like it's in Apache's best interest to either > collectively not care about this sort of thing, or help provide a fix on > their side, rather than potentially asking every incoming developer to > change the way they work. I think of it as respecting local custom when you travel or when you visit someones house, or when you get a new job. You never included legal gibberish in your email before joining BEA - how hard did you push there to not have your email client send it w/ ever mail? :) > >> Also, If I left IBM I would most likely >> continue working on the projects that I'm currently part of >> so a private e-mail allows me that freedom. > > Well, not really -- I think that it's the ICLA and the employment laws > in the US that allow you to continue working on projects after leaving > IBM. I'd be surprised if Apache would not allow people with new email > addresses to participate in projects. I think you are missing Matt's point... No one cares what email address mail is posted from, we just care about the content. geir > > -Patrick Maybe we can have BEA change it to the following... > _______________________________________________________________________ > Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain > information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated > entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or > legally privileged, and BEA hereby grants to you all rights as specified > in the Apache License and the CCLA to anyone receiving this message. If > you are not the intended recipient, it doesn't matter because of the > Apache License, so please forward to anyone who may find it useful. > Think Fluid! > :) geir