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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: [Fwd: Wanted: Improving the Maven story for GlassFish...]
Date Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:55:13 GMT
On Jun 19, 2006, at 6:09 AM, Patrick Linskey wrote:

> Sun's been doing this across the board with Java EE 5 for a little  
> while
> now. Check out http://java.sun.com/javaee/downloads/index.jsp, and  
> tell
> me how to download the Java EE 5 specs without also downloading
> Glassfish.

That was before they decided to "mavenize" Glassfish. If you use  
maven, then you can get bits and pieces and not have to swallow the  
whole thing. That's what we can exploit for OpenJPA purposes.

> Sun appears to have decided to use its alleged "stewardship"
> of Java as a means to promote Glassfish.

The other explanation is to promote the ease of access to a complete  
system.

Craig
>
> -Patrick
>
> -- 
> Patrick Linskey
> BEA Systems, Inc.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM [mailto:Craig.Russell@Sun.COM]
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:47 AM
>> To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Wanted: Improving the Maven story for
>> GlassFish...]
>>
>> Not everyone thinks Glassfish should have separately shipped
>> the spec jars...It's important to get our input into the
>> Glassfish open source project.
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>
>> 	Hi Craig,
>>
>> 	
>> 	
>>
>> 	Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>> 		Hi,
>>
>> 		On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:27 PM, anonymous wrote:
>>
>> 			Hi Craig,
>>
>> 			
>> 			
>>
>> 			You are talking from a theoretical
>> perspective - it might be a
>>
>> 			good idea (we went with another good
>> idea) to have a separate
>>
>> 			downloadable of persistence-api.jar.
>>
>> 		I'm not talking theory at all. People just
>> don't expect spec api jars  to include the reference
>> implementation as well. "It's just an  implementation" and
>> doesn't belong in the same jar. Look at any other  spec jar file.
>>
>> 	
>> 	
>>
>> 	They do. This is how JavaMail is distributed.
>>
>> 	
>> 	
>>
>> 			
>> 			
>>
>> 			I was talking from the history of how
>> it happened - why persistence- api.jar
>>
>> 			appeared in the maven repository and
>> what that process was called.
>>
>> 			At a rush to fulfill Eduardo's request
>> to push our persistence impl
>>
>> 			jars to the maven repository (called
>> "mavenizing" by Eduardo and
>>
>> 			everybody else after (?) him) at the
>> last minute before J1, we
>>
>> 			pushed all 3 jars separately. While
>> it's too late to remove
>>
>> 			persistence-api.jar (we'll look silly
>> keeping only 1 - at some point
>>
>> 			outdated - version, and the community
>> already reference it), we
>>
>> 			are looking at fixing
>> toplink-essentials.jar to include persistence API
>>
>> 			in order to mirror the downloadable version.
>>
>> 		The maven naming convention is robust enough to
>> handle different  versions of the same artifact. If you're
>> looking at having a  maintenance release, you could e.g. name
>> the artifact persistence- api-1.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar. Then, maven
>> will automatically get the latest  snapshot that was pushed
>> to the site.
>>
>> 	
>> 	
>>
>> 	That's why I don't want to explain why there might not
>> be newer versions,
>>
>> 	if we stop pushing persistence-api.jar out.
>>
>> 	
>> 	
>>
>> 	Regards,
>>
>> 	-anonymous
>>
>>
>> Craig Russell
>>
>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/ 
>> jdo
>>
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>>
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
>>
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