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From Sam Barrett <>
Subject Re: No report?
Date Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:48:54 GMT
What a colossal bit of fuckery.

I'm SO thankful I didn't spend much time on this.

Ass-clownery 1, well-intentioned passionate developers 0.

Well played, dinosaur; well played.
On Jul 10, 2016 11:15 AM, "David Ash" <> wrote:

> I think the retirement talks should resume.
> What little steam I had three months ago for keeping it alive is gone.  We
> lost momentum more quickly than we gained it.  I had quickly lost the two
> other volunteers I brought on (within days).  And I have not managed to get
> any additional individuals interested.  Without significantly more people,
> it's not viable.  I also don't think I ever got the commit status I had
> applied for (or at least I never got a reply to my question regarding that
> status).  But I also never performed any significant work that went
> uncommitted, so I'd like to avoid that being an excuse for my own
> shortcomings.  I feel like losing momentum and having an exceptionally busy
> schedule (even for me) was more to blame there -- I spent two weeks in
> Japan, and have been working 16-hour days finishing a project that I will
> be demonstrating at an MIT symposium in the near future.  Those are great
> things for me personally, but have not been good for my involvement in
> OpenAz.
> Further, it has become apparent that Apache is not the right kind of
> organization for me or this project.  It seems to be a process-heavy,
> patience-driven, slow-and-steady wins the race kind of approach geared
> toward maximizing small amounts of work by large numbers of people across
> the globe.  Although I recognize the value of that approach, I feel like it
> is geared more toward developing software that is either 1) In high demand
> (and will thus have numerous volunteers); 2) Already quite mature (ready
> for its first release on the first day of incubation); or 3) Has a small,
> tightly-knit team largely working outside the Apache process but following
> just enough of the rules to stay alive until the popularity catches on or
> it has become mature enough for natural survival.
> My preferred approach is on the Kanban side of Agile: process-light,
> informal, momentum-driven development with minimal oversight, release early
> and often, with tight feedback loops everywhere, and real-time
> communications between a very small number of highly-dedicated developers.
> That's the startup methodology, and I feel like it is better geared toward
> bringing new things to market.  I can also understand and respect why it
> might not be the best general methodology for Apache, and with their track
> record I could hardly say they're "doing it wrong."  But I don't think it's
> for me.
> I still hope the project can somehow survive, but I won't be part of it.
> Good luck to everyone in their projects, present and future.  I wish you
> all success in your ventures.
> Thanks!
> David Ash
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 9:42 AM, John D. Ament <>
> wrote:
> > OpenAz,
> >
> > We previously had a vote to retire this podling, and this would have been
> > your third month reporting monthly since that.  Your report is missing.
> >
> > Are we now in a situation where the retirement vote should restart?  I
> saw
> > that there was little mailing list activity other than the board report.
> >
> > John
> >

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