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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [Discussion] How do we get more people involved signing off on releases?
Date Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:12:15 GMT
Well the broader issue lies in that’s what we have a large committee,
and in that large committee we haven’t managed to miss a VOTE yet.
Part of the job of the release manager is to poke people on the
committee to VOTE for the release. Everyone has their own cycles
to work on the project. Some are paid to work on it and use it
every day and are motivated to reply quickly. Some are paid to use
the project, need to test it in 13 environments before +1’ing it.
Some aren’t paid to work on the project, but are willing to download
it, verify the bits and signatures and VOTE +1 on it. In short,
everyone’s +1 means something different to them, however, in the end
it all means the same to us, which is because we trust the community
and those that are on the PMC to “vote with their feet” here.

In this particular case, you’ve had to send a few prodding emails
to get people to reply back and VOTE. That’s not that bad frankly,
and comes with the territory not just in this community, but in many
I’ve seen. That’s why releases are so important - they go through this
process, wake up the community and get the project going. They are
one of the key lifeblood elements of the project.

As for thinking about new blood that’s always a great thing and
I encourage everyone to do that, especially those contributors and
community members who aren’t yet on the PMC, but who have been vocal
over the past year or so about using and trying and contributing
to the software.

My 2c.

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 12:10 AM
To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [Discussion] How do we get more people involved signing off
on releases?

>That's very nice but that's part of what I'm trying to get to the bottom
>of. Every release is voted on by the same people.
>
>If suddenly Chris, Lewis and Sean left to train to be astronauts or
>decided
>to "do a Snowden" ;) we'd find it almost impossible to get 3 +1s to do a
>release and that is pretty precarious.
>
>So back to the question how do we get more of 45 PMC members involved? Is
>it because they no longer do OODT stuff, lack of instructions or something
>else. Or is we can't do that how do we get more willing volunteers?
>
>Tom
>On 18 Feb 2016 01:23, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <
>chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> I’ll also try and review tonight.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lewis John Mcgibbney <lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 11:06 AM
>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] How do we get more people involved signing off
>> on releases?
>>
>> >Hi Tom,
>> >ACK this thread and ACK the RC as well.
>> >Will get around to answering both later.
>> >Ta
>> >
>> >On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 AM, Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello folks
>> >>
>> >> As some of you will be aware there has been a release VOTE sat in the
>> >>wild
>> >> with no votes since Feb 11th, now I might have picked a bad time to
>> >>submit
>> >> the vote but that's by the by, I have a question off of the back of
>> >>this.
>> >>
>> >> When a release goes to VOTE how do we get more people involved?
>> >>
>> >> There are 43 people on the PMC who can all check the release
>>artefacts
>> >>and
>> >> VOTE on whether it be released or not, yet the majority of the
>>releases
>> >> have the same 4 or 5 people voting. So, are most of the PMC emeritus?
>> >>Is it
>> >> a lack of clarity on what is involved in voting, or something
>>completely
>> >> different?
>> >>
>> >> Understandably the platform doesn't see a great deal of development
>> >> activity because it does what it says on the tin, but as its an ASF
>> >>project
>> >> it does need a cohesive PMC to make sure build and issues get
>>resolved
>> >> properly, so what can we do to improve it?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >*Lewis*
>>
>>

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