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[107.128.41.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ke3sm1502897obb.28.2015.08.27.08.38.07 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:38:08 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.3.150624 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:38:02 -0700 Subject: Re: OODT book proposal From: Chris Mattmann To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OODT book proposal References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99d of course be happy to help. =E2=80=94 Chris Mattmann chris.mattmann@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Tom Barber Reply-To: Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:52 AM To: Subject: Re: OODT book proposal >I'd also be interested in writing the draft in markdown storing it on >github and using an open license to create it if people think that's a >good >idea. Although I'm wary of packt just running off with it. >On 27 Aug 2015 4:41 pm, "Tom Barber" wrote: > >> Hi chaps and chapesses, >> >> Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our book >> proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us >>write >> the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So I >> would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay. >> >> My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be >> easier for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book >>and >> saves us selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other publishing >> houses on what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper >> publisher might pick it up down the line or we can create our own print >>run >> if there is a demand. >> >> Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the >>book, >> are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if >>we go >> the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the >> min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we >>make. >> >> Regards, >> >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber >> wrote: >> >>> Will do chief >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann >>>>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the >>>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I=E2=80=99ll help. >>>> >>>> =E2=80=94 >>>> Chris Mattmann >>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Tom Barber >>>> Reply-To: >>>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM >>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" >>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal >>>> >>>> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just >>>> >disappeared so I guess he got bored. >>>> > >>>> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < >>>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with >>>>it? >>>> >> Cheers >>>> >> >>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>> >> Chief Architect >>>> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) >>>> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 >>>> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov >>>> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department >>>> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: Tom Barber >>>> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" >>>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM >>>> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" >>>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal >>>> >> >>>> >> >Thanks Chris. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the >>>> >>existing >>>> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;) >>>> >> > >>>> >> >Tom >>>> >> > >>>> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < >>>> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :) >>>> >> >> I added it..good luck! >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> ________________________________________ >>>> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi] >>>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM >>>> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org >>>> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to >>>>the >>>> guy >>>> >> >>from >>>> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>=20 >>>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuT >>>>FZ >>>> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=3Dsharing >>>> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all >>>>so >>>> you >>>> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or >>>> >>something >>>> >> >>so I >>>> >> >> can spot them. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thanks >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Tom >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber < >>>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book >>>>as >>>> I >>>> >> >>have >>>> >> >> to >>>> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away >>>> from >>>> >> >> generic >>>> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look >>>>at >>>> all >>>> >> >>the >>>> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use >>>>cases >>>> >> >>would be >>>> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the >>>>value >>>> >>of >>>> >> >> > metadata etc. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy >>>> NASA >>>> >> >>stuff >>>> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world >>>>use >>>> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff >>>> >>from my >>>> >> >> day >>>> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so >>>> you'll >>>> >> >>have >>>> >> >> to >>>> >> >> > leave that to me ;) >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would >>>>spend >>>> >> >>writing a >>>> >> >> > book. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those >>>> >> >>interested >>>> >> >> > can add their 10 cents. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > Tom >>>> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very >>>>topic >>>> >>folks >>>> >> >> with >>>> >> >> >> one interesting outcome. >>>> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris >>>>will >>>> >> >>likely >>>> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well. >>>> >> >> >> An example is the following >>>> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do >>>> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you >>>>guys >>>> can >>>> >> >> >> consider. >>>> >> >> >> Lewis >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann < >>>> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com> >>>> >> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don=E2=80=99t think 1.0 is required >>>> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen >>>> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in >>>> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :) >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action. >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > Cheers, >>>> >> >> >> > Chris >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------ >>>> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann >>>> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >>>> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch >>>> >> >> >> > Reply-To: >>>> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM >>>> >> >> >> > To: >>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an >>>> >>OODT-1.0 >>>> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to >>>> be a >>>> >> >>lot >>>> >> >> of >>>> >> >> >> > >very >>>> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content >>>>of a >>>> >> >>book. >>>> >> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the >>>> >>book. >>>> >> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT >>>> >> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components >>>> >> >> >> > > - Extending OODT >>>> >> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations >>>> >> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >-Michael >>>> >> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) < >>>> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>>> >> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom, >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the >>>>book >>>> >>if my >>>> >> >> >> level >>>> >> >> >> > >>of >>>> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's >>>>not >>>> >> >>clear to >>>> >> >> >> me >>>> >> >> >> > >>your >>>> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I >>>>can >>>> >> >> >> contribute. >>>> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will >>>>cheer >>>> on >>>> >> >>your >>>> >> >> >> > >> efforts. :-) >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks, >>>> >> >> >> > >> Dana >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To: >>>>"dev@oodt.apache.org" >>>> < >>>> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM >>>> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys, >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book >>>>that >>>> >>me, >>>> >> >> Chris >>>> >> >> >> > >>and >>>> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas. >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the >>>>proposal >>>> so >>>> >> >>I'll >>>> >> >> >> knock >>>> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but >>>>on >>>> >>this >>>> >> >> topic. >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to >>>>see >>>> >>in an >>>> >> >> OODT >>>> >> >> >> > >>book? >>>> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a >>>>bit >>>> >>of >>>> >> >>the >>>> >> >> >> book >>>> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry >>>> about >>>> >> >>it, >>>> >> >> >> and I >>>> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest) >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Tom >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> >> *Lewis* >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>