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From Tom Barber <tom.bar...@meteorite.bi>
Subject Re: OODT book proposal
Date Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:52:40 GMT
I'd also be interested in writing the draft in markdown storing it on
github and using an open license to create it if people think that's a good
idea. Although I'm wary of packt just running off with it.
On 27 Aug 2015 4:41 pm, "Tom Barber" <tom.barber@meteorite.bi> wrote:

> Hi chaps and chapesses,
>
> Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our book
> proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us write
> the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So I
> would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
>
> My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be
> easier for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book and
> saves us selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other publishing
> houses on what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper
> publisher might pick it up down the line or we can create our own print run
> if there is a demand.
>
> Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the book,
> are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if we go
> the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
> min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we make.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> wrote:
>
>> Will do chief
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann <chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
>>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
>>>
>>> —
>>> Chris Mattmann
>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
>>> Reply-To: <dev@oodt.apache.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>
>>> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
>>> >disappeared so I guess he got bored.
>>> >
>>> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with it?
>>> >> Cheers
>>> >>
>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> >> Chief Architect
>>> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> >> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
>>> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
>>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
>>> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
>>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>> >>
>>> >> >Thanks Chris.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the
>>> >>existing
>>> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Tom
>>> >> >
>>> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>>> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
>>> >> >> I added it..good luck!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ________________________________________
>>> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
>>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
>>> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat
to the
>>> guy
>>> >> >>from
>>> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
>>> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to
all so
>>> you
>>> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
>>> >>something
>>> >> >>so I
>>> >> >> can spot them.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Tom
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
>>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full
book as
>>> I
>>> >> >>have
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move
away
>>> from
>>> >> >> generic
>>> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of
a look at
>>> all
>>> >> >>the
>>> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and
use cases
>>> >> >>would be
>>> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on
the value
>>> >>of
>>> >> >> > metadata etc.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the
crazy
>>> NASA
>>> >> >>stuff
>>> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real
world use
>>> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and
stuff
>>> >>from my
>>> >> >> day
>>> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world
so
>>> you'll
>>> >> >>have
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> > leave that to me ;)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would
spend
>>> >> >>writing a
>>> >> >> > book.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and
those
>>> >> >>interested
>>> >> >> > can add their 10 cents.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Tom
>>> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
>>> >> >><lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this
very topic
>>> >>folks
>>> >> >> with
>>> >> >> >> one interesting outcome.
>>> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however
Chris will
>>> >> >>likely
>>> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides
as well.
>>> >> >> >> An example is the following
>>> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>>> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT
but you guys
>>> can
>>> >> >> >> consider.
>>> >> >> >> Lewis
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>>> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>>> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>>> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>>> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > Cheers,
>>> >> >> >> > Chris
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------
>>> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
>>> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <starchmd@umich.edu>
>>> >> >> >> > Reply-To: <dev@oodt.apache.org>
>>> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>>> >> >> >> > To: <dev@oodt.apache.org>
>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this.  Are we going
to push for an
>>> >>OODT-1.0
>>> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book?
 There seem to
>>> be a
>>> >> >>lot
>>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >> > >very
>>> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect
the content of a
>>> >> >>book.
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be
helpful for the
>>> >>book.
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >    - Setting Up OODT
>>> >> >> >> > >    - Major OODT Components
>>> >> >> >> > >    - Extending OODT
>>> >> >> >> > >    - OODT in Operations
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >-Michael
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn,
Dana J (398G) <
>>> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> This is great.  I would be happy to
contribute to the book
>>> >>if my
>>> >> >> >> level
>>> >> >> >> > >>of
>>> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high)
is helpful.  It's not
>>> >> >>clear to
>>> >> >> >> me
>>> >> >> >> > >>your
>>> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have
to tap me if I can
>>> >> >> >> contribute.
>>> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do.  Otherwise,
I will cheer
>>> on
>>> >> >>your
>>> >> >> >> > >> efforts.  :-)
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks,
>>> >> >> >> > >> Dana
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
>>> >> >> >> > >><tom.barber@meteorite.bi<mailto:tom.barber@meteorite.bi>>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>"
>>> <
>>> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>>> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>"
>>> >> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>>> >> >> >> > >> <mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today
about an OODT book that
>>> >>me,
>>> >> >> Chris
>>> >> >> >> > >>and
>>> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with
a TOC as the proposal
>>> so
>>> >> >>I'll
>>> >> >> >> knock
>>> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later
in the week, but on
>>> >>this
>>> >> >> topic.
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd
especially like to see
>>> >>in an
>>> >> >> OODT
>>> >> >> >> > >>book?
>>> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some
hours writing a bit
>>> >>of
>>> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >> book
>>> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months
so don't worry
>>> about
>>> >> >>it,
>>> >> >> >> and I
>>> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for
interest)
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Tom
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> --
>>> >> >> >> *Lewis*
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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