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From Tom Barber <tom.bar...@meteorite.bi>
Subject Re: OODT book proposal
Date Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:02:24 GMT
Chris is correct! I grumbled about the wrong publisher. Apologies to
wiley,  I meant manning I've been on holiday for too long!
On 27 Aug 2015 5:00 pm, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> I think you mean Manning right not Wiley
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> >
> > Hi chaps and chapesses,
> >
> > Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our book
> > proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us
> write
> > the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So I
> > would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
> >
> > My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be
> easier
> > for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book and saves
> us
> > selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other publishing houses on
> > what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper publisher
> might
> > pick it up down the line or we can create our own print run if there is a
> > demand.
> >
> > Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the book,
> > are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if we
> go
> > the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
> > min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we make.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Will do chief
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann <
> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
> >>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
> >>>
> >>> —
> >>> Chris Mattmann
> >>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> >>> Reply-To: <dev@oodt.apache.org>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
> >>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>
> >>>> I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
> >>>> disappeared so I guess he got bored.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with
it?
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>>>> Chief Architect
> >>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> >>>>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
> >>>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <dev@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks Chris.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of
the
> >>>>> existing
> >>>>>> tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >>>>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions
:)
> >>>>>>> I added it..good luck!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> >>>>>>> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat
to the
> >>> guy
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
> >>>>>>> e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> >>>>>>> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open
to all so
> >>> you
> >>>>>>> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them
or
> >>>>> something
> >>>>>>> so I
> >>>>>>> can spot them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
> >>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback guys.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a
full book as I
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to
move away
> >>> from
> >>>>>>> generic
> >>>>>>>> platform books so I think pitching it in the style of
a look at
> >>> all
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> main components and heavy on the real world how-to and
use cases
> >>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>> the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff
on the value
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> metadata etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of
the crazy NASA
> >>>>>>> stuff
> >>>>>>>> which he said I should include and also a bunch of real
world use
> >>>>>>>> cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application
and stuff
> >>>>> from my
> >>>>>>> day
> >>>>>>>> job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real
world so
> >>> you'll
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> leave that to me ;)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we
would spend
> >>>>>>> writing a
> >>>>>>>> book.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow
and those
> >>>>>>> interested
> >>>>>>>> can add their 10 cents.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>> On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> >>>>>>> <lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about
this very topic
> >>>>> folks
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> one interesting outcome.
> >>>>>>>>> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however
Chris will
> >>>>>>> likely
> >>>>>>>>> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides
as well.
> >>>>>>>>> An example is the following
> >>>>>>>>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT
but you guys
> >>> can
> >>>>>>>>> consider.
> >>>>>>>>> Lewis
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann
<
> >>>>>>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> >>>>>>>>>> *before* writing the book, but can happen
> >>>>>>>>>> while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> >>>>>>>>>> many cases by the book!) :)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris Mattmann
> >>>>>>>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Starch <starchmd@umich.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: <dev@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: <dev@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I am definitely up for this.  Are we going
to push for an
> >>>>> OODT-1.0
> >>>>>>>>>>> "polished" released before we write a book?
 There seem to be
> >>> a
> >>>>>>> lot
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>> nice features in the pipe, which will affect
the content of a
> >>>>>>> book.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I believe the following may
be helpful for the
> >>>>> book.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>   - Setting Up OODT
> >>>>>>>>>>>   - Major OODT Components
> >>>>>>>>>>>   - Extending OODT
> >>>>>>>>>>>   - OODT in Operations
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn,
Dana J (398G) <
> >>>>>>>>>>> dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is great.  I would be happy to
contribute to the book
> >>>>> if my
> >>>>>>>>> level
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> experience with OODT (which is high)
is helpful.  It's not
> >>>>>>> clear to
> >>>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> focus for the book, so you'll just have
to tap me if I can
> >>>>>>>>> contribute.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul and Chris will know if I do.  Otherwise,
I will cheer
> >>> on
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> efforts.  :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Tom Barber
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <tom.barber@meteorite.bi<mailto:tom.barber@meteorite.bi>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>"
> >>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <dev@oodt.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was on the phone to Manning today
about an OODT book that
> >>>>> me,
> >>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been tasked with coming up with
a TOC as the proposal
> >>> so
> >>>>>>> I'll
> >>>>>>>>> knock
> >>>>>>>>>>>> something together and share it later
in the week, but on
> >>>>> this
> >>>>>>> topic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a) Does anyone have anything they'd
especially like to see
> >>>>> in an
> >>>>>>> OODT
> >>>>>>>>>>>> book?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> b) Does anyone want to help donate some
hours writing a bit
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> book
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (won't be any time soon and takes months
so don't worry
> >>> about
> >>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>>> and I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wont hold you to it, just looking for
interest)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> *Lewis*
> >>
>

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