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From "Mistry, Chintu (GSFC-586.0)[COLUMBUS TECHNOLOGIES AND SERVICES INC]" <chintu.mis...@nasa.gov>
Subject Re: OODT 0.3 branch
Date Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:23:26 GMT
Thank you for example.

In our case, the file size can vary from 10K to 200MB. About 12000 files make up of 262GB

We are using IBM GPFS for our storage, which is suppose to be faster for this kind of activity.
The parallel performance that we are seeing in our test case is far from isolated filesystem
test (with simple copy and move without OODT).

So far the best combination I could find is to use "move" and keep almost 1:1 ratio of FM
and CR. Will still dig more into it.

Chintu Mistry
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Bldg L40B, Room S776
Office: 240 684 0477
Mobile: 770 310 1047

From: Cameron Goodale <goodale@apache.org<mailto:goodale@apache.org>>
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012 12:03 AM
To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>" <dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org>>
Cc: "Mistry, Chintu (GSFC-586.0)[COLUMBUS TECHNOLOGIES AND SERVICES INC]" <chintu.mistry@nasa.gov<mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov>>
Subject: Re: OODT 0.3 branch


I see that your test data volume is 262GB, but I am curious about the make up of the data.
 On average what is your file size and how many files?

The reason I ask is because the process of extraction and ingestion can vary wildly.  On the
LMMP project I was ingesting 12GB DEMs over NFS and it was a slow process.  It was basically
serial with 1CR+1FM, but we didn't have a requirement to push large volumes of data.

On our recent Snow Data System I am processing 160 workflow jobs in parallel and OODT could
handle the load, it turned out the filesystem was our major bottleneck.  We used a SAN initially
when doing development, but when we increased the number of jobs in parallel the I/O became
so bad we moved to GlusterFS. GlusterFS had speed improvements over the SAN, but we had to
be careful about heavy writing, moving, deleting since the clustering would try to replicate
the data.  Turns out Gluster is great for heavy writting OR heavy reading, but not both at
the same time.  Finally we are using NAS and it works great.

My point is the file system plays a major role in performance when ingesting data.  The ultimate
speed test would be if you could actually write the data into the final archive directory
and basically do an ingestion in place (skip data transfer entirely), but I know that is rarely

This is an interesting challenge to see what configuration will yield the best through put/performance.
 I look forward to hearing more about your progress on this.

Best Regards,


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>>
Hi Chintu,

From: <Mistry>, "Chintu [COLUMBUS TECHNOLOGIES AND SERVICES INC] (GSFC-586.0)" <chintu.mistry@nasa.gov<mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov><mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov<mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov>>>
Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:02 PM
To: jpluser <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>>>,
Subject: Re: OODT 0.3 branch

If you are saying that FM can handle multiple connections at one time,

Yep I'm saying that it can.

then multiple crawlers pointing to same FM should increase performance significantly.

Well that really depends to be honest. It sounds like you guys are hitting an IO bottleneck
potentially in data transfer? What file sizes are you transferring? If you are IO bound on
the data transfer part, the product isn't fully ingested until:

  1.  it's entry is added to the catalog
  2.  The data transfer finishes

Are you checking the FM for status along the way? Also realize that the FM will never be faster
than the file system, so if it takes the file system X minutes to transfer a file F1, Y to
transfer F2, and Z to transfer F3, then you still have to wait at least the max(X,Y,Z) time,
regardless for the 3 ingestions to complete.

But that’s not what we saw in our tests.

For example,
I saw barely 2 minutes performance difference between 2FM-6CR and 3FM-6CR.

1) 2 hour  6 minutes to process 262G   (1FM 3CR - 3CR to 1FM)
2) 1 hour 58 minutes to process 262G   (1FM 6CR - 6CR to 1FM)
3) 1 hour 39 minutes to process 262G   (2FM 6CR - 3CR to 1FM)
4) 1 hour 39 minutes to process 262G   (2FM 9CR - 4+CR to 1FM)
5) 1 hour 37 minutes to process 262G   (3FM 9CR - 3CR to 1FM)
6) 2 hour            to process 262G   (3FM 20CR - 6+CR to 1FM)
7) 28 minutes    to process 262G   (6FM 9CR - 1+CR to 1FM)   => This is my latest test
and this is good number.

What would be interesting is simply looking at the speed for how long it takes to cp the files
(which I bet is what's happening) versus mv'ing the files by hand. If mv is faster, I'd:

  1.  Implement a Data Transfer implementation that simply replaces the calls to FileUtils.copyFile
or .moveFile with systemCalls (see ExecHelper from oodt-commons) to UNIX equivalents.
  2.  Plug that data transfer in to your crawler invocations via the cmd line.



From: <Mattmann>, Chris A <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>>>
Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:51 PM
To: "Mistry, Chintu (GSFC-586.0)[COLUMBUS TECHNOLOGIES AND SERVICES INC]" <chintu.mistry@nasa.gov<mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov><mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov<mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov>>>,
Subject: Re: OODT 0.3 branch

Hey Chintu,

From: <Mistry>, "Chintu [COLUMBUS TECHNOLOGIES AND SERVICES INC] (GSFC-586.0)" <chintu.mistry@nasa.gov<mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov><mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov<mailto:chintu.mistry@nasa.gov>>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:41 PM
To: jpluser <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>>>,
Subject: Re: OODT 0.3 branch

Answers inline below.


Gotcha, so you are using different product types. So, each crawler is crawling various product
types in each one of the staging area dirs, that looks like e.g.,

  /dir1 – 1st crawler
   - file1 of product type 1
   - file2 of product type 3

 /dir2 – 2nd crawler
   - file3 of product type 3

 /dir3 – 3rd crawler
   - file4 of product type 2

Is that what the staging area looks like? - YES

And then your FM is ingesting all 3 product types (I just picked 3 arbitrarily could have
been N) into:


Correct?  - YES

If so, I would imagine if FM1 and FM2 and FM3 would actually speed up the ingestion process
compared to just using 1 FM with 1, or 2 or 3 crawlers all talking to it.

Let me ask a few more questions:

Do you see e.g., in the above example that file4 is ingested before file2? What about file3
before file2? If not, there is something wiggy going on.
       - I have not checked that. I guess I can check that. Can FM handle multiple connections
at the same time ?

Yep FM can handle multiple connections at one time up to a limit (I think hard defaulted to
~100-200 by the underlying XMLRPC 2.1 library). We're using an old library currently but have
a goal to upgrade to the latest version where I think this # is configurable.


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