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From David Woollard <wooll...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Discussions in JIRA vs list
Date Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:32:52 GMT
I'm just glad I did not have to step in and restrain you two ;)...

-Dave W

On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:

> OK Justin and I just had a love fest on Skype. :) Or humorous banter. Or something else.
> 
> Anyways, I'll try and keep my -1s to the dev list (watch out Kale! ^_^) and Justin and
others will be understanding when some of us JIRA fanboys have tons of discussion in JIRA.
Deal. Deal!!!
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> I likened the debate to being which OS is best, which IDE is best, etc., because
the truth of the matter is: none of them are, and there's more than one way to skin a cat.
>> 
>> I apologize for getting meta and sticking on this point, but I'd like
>> to ensure we don't place artificial barriers to contributions by
>> having lengthy conversations and votes inside of an issue tracker.
>> 
>> I find the OS/IDE analogy rather weak - the fact that I use Mac OS X,
>> GMail, or refuse to use Eclipse doesn't impact you in what OS or IDE
>> you use.  I have options to contribute constructively to any
>> discussions even respecting my choices (and you do yours).  However,
>> the fact that you use JIRA for detailed design discussions and
>> conversations means that no one else can follow detailed conversations
>> via email efficiently - and are forced to use JIRA.
>> 
>> The fundamental issue is that you can't follow or contribute to a
>> lengthy conversation in JIRA without using JIRA.  If you actually
>> tried to follow along via email, first off, you can't reply to issues
>> via email.  Furthermore, JIRA's emails don't have proper references or
>> threading, so you just get a bazillion individual non-related posts.
>> In Gmail, since it has no other clues, it does try to group all
>> comments from one author together - so it means that I see all of
>> Brian's comments on an issue in one "conversation" and all of your
>> comments in a completely separate "conversation".  It's very very
>> painful to follow as I see Brian's responses to you first without
>> seeing your comments first.  My head hurts trying to follow along -
>> ugh.
>> 
>> Email is a great common denominator that lets people use the tools and
>> workflow they desire.  JIRA doesn't.  It raises the bar significantly
>> for contributing to discussions.  Again, JIRA is acceptable for issue
>> tracking, but please let's not make it the place where conversations
>> and votes are held.  -- justin
> 
> 
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> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
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