Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-amber-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-amber-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6784ABCC0 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21395 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jan 2012 19:24:38 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-amber-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 21335 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jan 2012 19:24:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact amber-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: amber-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list amber-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 21327 invoked by uid 99); 16 Jan 2012 19:24:37 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:24:37 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of kalle.o.korhonen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.47] (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com) (209.85.215.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:24:29 +0000 Received: by lami14 with SMTP id i14so1723617lam.6 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:24:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NOM4k030oXWXbHyEL2lOln5EqD6lpTdmQ0Zt/GoorIc=; b=Jud4vbZxufwuPeecArgG76lO9k6bti5zsC1EKadwFT81P3mmtzaSFm7vxX3eVX0jlR +Gk+nk7PUztnrwmL3L+QPaVpe79jWbofKsPFUyqF2TgO9LTqO72oBbI/ZB1BTn+vy+KH eJ1i7y1ZcUdTR562HYUgXyt4AuhYKVnr61VgE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.23.35 with SMTP id j3mr3291865lbf.100.1326741849443; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.111.37 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:24:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:24:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Graduation? From: Kalle Korhonen To: amber-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hey amber devs, I've been following the project from the sidelines for some time. There was a thread titled "Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)" on incubator-general, in which it was said: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >> 2010-05-09 Amber > S: Somewhat active, not enough for a TLP. > R: Ask for a graduation plan in next report. I'm an Apache Shiro committer and we graduated with a small PMC (I was the only new committer voted in after the incubation start and at graduation time we only really had two active committers, though there were more people with commit privileges and mentors stayed on the PMC after graduation), so a small community alone is definitely not a barrier for graduation. Following the list though, it seems that IP clearance is actually a bigger obstacle for graduation at the moment, is that correct? If that can be resolved, I'd encourage you to "just graduate". However, if you think Jukka's statement above is correct and you feel the community around Amber isn't "enough for a TLP", I was thinking that Amber could also find a home as a sub-project of Shiro. There's little overlap but the projects operate in the same security space so it might work fine. Anyhow, just a thought - I haven't brought this up with the rest of Shiro PMC yet since it's first and foremost your decision where you want your project to be headed. Kalle