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From Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Subject Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Date Sun, 18 Dec 2016 14:18:12 GMT
Hi Pierre,

I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz


Le 18/12/2016 à 14:39, Pierre Smits a écrit :
> First of all: I am NOT critisizing OFBIZ!
> So I beg the 'judges' to see this in light of a quest for clarity. A
> clarity that will benefit everybody contributing in this great ASF project,
> as the announcement lacks various references.
> The announcement talks about the image of the project. But what is that
> image? Is that the image expressed in viewpoints from various PMC members?
> Or from outsiders? Is there a plan/policy to improve that image (if that is
> indeed necessary)?
> The statement talks about 'over the past few weeks'. Does this mean that
> individuals engaging in unfair marketing before said past few weeks are not
> treated in the same way as the individuals of the past few weeks? And are
> the unfair marketing messages from the individuals before the past few
> weeks regarded as not distracting our community and not detrimental to the
> project's image?
> This simply boils down to will this project law be applied from a moment in
> the future and be applied to future actions, or will it be applied to only
> actions from individuals in the past few weeks (which is very lucid) or
> also to all actions from all individuals since the inception of this
> project?
> I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that could be held against an
> explicit OFBIZ law applicable at that moment in time. Over the various
> years of the existence of this project we all have seen various viewpoints
> expressed by individuals in the various public mailing lists about how they
> feel about the subject brought before us and how they feel about the
> individuals who violated against that viewpoint. But never have we seen
> something that resembled any kind of consensus resulting in an action plan
> and resulting in a clear ruleset.
> In the first sentence there is talk about criticising OFBiz? What does that
> entail. Is saying that there is something wrong in the code base
> criticising OFBiz? Is responding with a different viewpoint to the posting
> of another contributor criticising OFBiz? What are the boundaries where the
> expressed viewpoint goes from an effort to improve OFBiz to something that
> is 'distracting our community and detrimental to the project's image'?
> In the last segment of the announcement the term 'users' is brought before
> us? It seems to me that this term is to vague without further description.
> Are we talking about OFBiz users, users of products of Service Providers
> that provide OFBiz related services, readers of mailing list postings, or
> what?
> The last segment also talks about a punishment for repeat violators of the
> 3rd Party Marketing directive stated in [1]. Where will the arbitrage
> regarding this take place? Which organisational body will do the
> prosecuting? And which organisational body will do the judging and
> execution of judgement? How do we ensure impartial judging? How do we
> ensure transparency? And how do we register complaints, transcripts of the
> arbitrages and judgings, in order to ensure that every community member can
> learn from it and does not walk in wrong directions?
> In the last segment the punishment is 'removal from the mailing lists of
> the project'. How long will this punishment be enforced? Is this a life
> sentence, or is there a limitation to this. How do we ensure that the
> punishment fits the crime?
> Does this mean that if a PMC Member violates against the directives he will
> remain a PMC Member even though he is removed from the mailing lists?
> Best regards,
> Pierre Smits
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <jacopoc@apache.org>
> wrote:
>> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages
>> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the same
>> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which OFBiz
>> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are
>> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image.
>> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some
>> directions to govern how third parties can announce their
>> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
>> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will be
>> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists.
>> The OFBiz PMC

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