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From Taher Alkhateeb <slidingfilame...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Anticipate the end of life of the 13.07 branch and backport some non-bug related changes to the 14.12 and 15.12 branches
Date Wed, 29 Jun 2016 08:03:35 GMT
Hey Folks,

So again another light bulb just hit me. But instead of modifying the build
script for the older releases we can just propagate all the changes that
happened to the start component because nobody touches the start component
that would make the backporting much easier to the older releases.

Regards,

Taher Alkhateeb
On Jun 29, 2016 10:47 AM, "Taher Alkhateeb" <slidingfilaments@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm sorry I completely forgot to mention this in this thread but after
> release 15 I think, I completely refactored the start component. This
> refactoring changed the logic and the syntax for OFBiz startup and server
> commands. This heavily affect the build system because it executes server
> commands.
>
> So if we decide to backport gradle to older releases then it's not going
> to be a straight copy and paste exercise but there will be modifications to
> comply with the old syntax of the startup logic.
>
> This is for your information on how we decide to move forward. I still
> like the idea to switch to Gradle for all releases but its necessary for me
> to State that there will be consequences in time and effort in doing that.
>
> Regards,
> Taher Alkhateeb
> On Jun 29, 2016 10:24 AM, "Sharan Foga" <sharan.foga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Todd
>
> I think we'll need to wait for the outcome of this current discussion to
> understand what will happen to the various 'unreleased releases'. So in
> response to your question - the simple answer would be yes. Once this
> discussion is over, we'll know what sort of transition we are looking at.
>
> (BTW our website needs updating and I'm currently working on re-writing it
> completely.)
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 2016-06-28 19:32 (+0200), Todd Thorner <tthorner@infotinuum.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for this, Mr. Foga.  The Downloads page of the ofbiz.apache.org
> > site mentions 14.x and 15.x only as part of the project's tentative
> > release schedule.  Would end user newcomers be wise to wait out the
> > transition?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16-06-28 09:55 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
> > > Thanks Jacopo for the details and summary.
> > >
> > > I know that some people might think it a bit strange that this
> discussion is happening on the user list rather than the dev list, but I
> think these topics are something that our users may have an opinion on and
> want to comment.
> > >
> > > +1 for suggestion #1
> > >
> > > 13.07 has been around a while so I think that ending it now rather
> than next year will help us to focus on other work (e.g. refactoring and
> clean up)
> > >
> > > +1 for suggestion #2
> > >
> > > I think the work we are currently doing to improve the trunk build
> system isn't really that visible to our users, but it will make a big
> difference to developers and people who administer the system. Pushing
> those technical benefits back to 14.12 and 15.12 (if we still want to call
> them that!) will help.
> > >
> > > Also OFBiz has changed a lot since the 14.12 and even 15.12 branches
> were created. We've incorporated so much new functionality that it would be
> a good thing to try and get some of this into our next release. Essentially
> it would mean more functionality for our users.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sharan
> > >
> > > On 2016-06-28 12:26 (+0200), Jacopo Cappellato <
> jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> as you may know we are working at migrating the build scripts of the
> OFBiz
> > >> trunk from Ant to Gradle.
> > >> Together with this important change we are also modifying, for policy
> > >> reasons, the way we distribute the external dependencies (i.e., the
> jar
> > >> files needed by OFBiz): the required jars will be downloaded at build
> time.
> > >> Since these changes are not bug fixes, the current plan is to do these
> > >> changes only in the trunk and do not backport them to the active
> branches,
> > >> that are currently:
> > >>
> > >> * 13.07
> > >> * 14.12
> > >> * 15.12
> > >>
> > >> However, we will still have to modify these branches by removing the
> > >> external jar files and download them using Ivy.
> > >>
> > >> The first concern is that we will have to work on and stabilize two
> fronts:
> > >> Ivy for the 3 current release branches and Gradle for the trunk and
> the
> > >> future branches.
> > >> The second concern is that, as a consequence, we will have, for
> several
> > >> years, significant differences in the setup/build steps between the
> old
> > >> releases and the new ones that could cause confusion and regressions
> when
> > >> bugs are backported.
> > >>
> > >> We have already issued 3 releases from the 13.07 branch and we have a
> > >> tentative plan to issue one more release around February 2017 that
> would be
> > >> the last release of this series.
> > >> As regards 14.12 and 15.12 branches, no releases have been issued yet.
> > >>
> > >> Based on these details I would like you to consider the following
> decisions:
> > >>
> > >> 1) anticipate the end of life of the release branch 13.07 at now; we
> would
> > >> not issue the fourth release as initially planned
> > >> 2) once stabilized, backport to 14.12 and 15.12 all the changes
> required to
> > >> build the system and download its dependencies with Gradle
> > >>
> > >> Please express your opinion on each of them separately, since they are
> > >> independent (i.e., you could agree/disagree on the first/second/both).
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Jacopo
> > >>
> >
> >
>
>

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