Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-ofbiz-user-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-ofbiz-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8251011F5E for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27384 invoked by uid 500); 24 Sep 2014 23:02:08 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ofbiz-user-archive@ofbiz.apache.org Received: (qmail 27354 invoked by uid 500); 24 Sep 2014 23:02:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@ofbiz.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list user@ofbiz.apache.org Received: (qmail 27342 invoked by uid 99); 24 Sep 2014 23:02:07 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:02:07 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [184.154.48.171] (HELO delivery.mailspamprotection.com) (184.154.48.171) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:02:01 +0000 Received: from ns1.siteground172.com ([184.154.160.14] helo=serv01.siteground172.com) by se5.mailspamprotection.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XWvZ1-0002Ng-QA for user@ofbiz.apache.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:01:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sandglass-software.com; s=dkim; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Hngln9INFGza+HWrWbQIHQu8MLLTmHMtcZCvGGVue7I=; b=TdSivlG0cGjn+VoLjsPM243F3pKhVK3BhOYdws2DwAvDtn89e6Lytrc2DYZdUg8UGS4gtVObY47cIMmfxx12LnOkO8spQIbRCFsFGlwC3QQ0VYjPU6E5X6rXnOVF/XOGUpIGR5C7L/d/ZAac/NFarMOnFXd2wZJ16A9neScYn5c=; Received: from [213.205.251.29] (port=65136 helo=[100.121.129.29]) by serv01.siteground172.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XWvYp-0003vS-1o for user@ofbiz.apache.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:01:23 -0500 Message-ID: <54234D51.4030201@sandglass-software.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 00:01:37 +0100 From: Adrian Crum Organization: Sandglass Software User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: Project morale References: <5422E1BA.5080105@artifact-software.com> In-Reply-To: <5422E1BA.5080105@artifact-software.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - serv01.siteground172.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ofbiz.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sandglass-software.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: serv01.siteground172.com: none X-Filter-ID: s0sct1PQhAABKnZB5plbIexRb6Wn7ZUV5yeFAstNJZpAY1BaLfwb0I4SZzVEHfhbMrfAO5/ofUxN 7S1UUc8AMXb+QSL7PYJcWsZaAL+M2XYKJw9os7pOAJy3PJptvNli2pi0KksNJ91llWXJBRQg/sJz 8WfReHqUOdh1n/PPcFwxRGSTt/4nhnnrH4eddS6l9vovFfqMDIgsSz7iaw39Ilz1pRXWhjh9fdbl 44I0Df2zi1AhrTmQha+OkAJTNOdMYSX5fABPXG+9QPyWE3Q5FhZRudLhU3wdXTvzjfr4MPrRA+kJ Q5wMpUj3D781oGvPPBfyCUQPGRfAuQJyQcUhQ4/Ia6YN5m0MsQWfYUYaa1IvMq0KDVXLb6VBQkBP sSqcRWJZ4cxmTr0TVcIFDdHywnY+akJNhL5qAttvzUBLxkQRf7vfz3yJTxlDBSwdAW3sfzhI8nvT TuZeG0BzzaacLjHYLyvT6f3Q+BmtUtn7AttH1WsaGAOyYG3fZmqGXyhMKJyXruX+Y6ivUqs4BJMP 66anMfHPEwyrd1R+9gs+vCBFYlnhzGZOvRNVwgUN0fLCdfis1O0p6F7CmaTsN5I7sgT4Tf/m5kcu xja88gL7KNgXKu1VbgppFJRGoXLED7mHy9XUM2wxpPwCncXmP1ltNDBFI4q5cQ5RqubdBEVbZHww mt+sIIFRUtvt2987WM2ZcsxIsVE4xAikMfMLqAUrqukSxJsJlsb+Z1Fz5U4XSCw= X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine.mailspamprotection.com X-Filter-Fingerprint: IFrWXGses7OKB5S5G8/dJdF8bCbRCAhGucQF+2hmonpA3cTUQ1R++keuE7RDJ8Kg3RbMLUalw1oC mj99/u+Poh38tEMU4IgC4sNz49qn3HHnhRv/ZJ3kEy8bfiAr+Fb/UpndEJ0YoaLytXXo8BMTaX2p Mk7LBarWD9Fj4R3eIu5amSKkALoA6KDzkQ8jq89Qglr+eUaqsXi6ilYykBRNmy1w3rhXI7ypWHcC zReLskSoC1jzfYuYzO5TaopJL1l0EkXKTCB9mgAH2nNvM1GFDcH5C2MO7hTENZJE35bUvwA= X-Originating-IP: 184.154.160.14 X-SpamExperts-Domain: siteground172.com X-SpamExperts-Username: 184.154.160.14 Authentication-Results: mailspamprotection.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=184.154.160.14 X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: ham X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.28) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org +1 Also, it would be nice if the senior PMC members would step in and eliminate hunger and poverty. Seriously though, I understand where you are coming from - but you are a bit late to the party. The PMC members are patient and tolerant, but there comes a time when repeated unwarranted attacks (or wild conspiracy theories) provoke a response. Flames wars occur in every online forum - this one included. I don't think anyone has the power to prevent them or control them - they just happen. Your appeals won't change that. Everyone here tends to look the other way and let the warring parties go at each other until something comes along to distract them. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 9/24/2014 4:22 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote: > The Chairperson and the senior PMC members need to step in very quickly > to stop personal attacks. > This is a very corrosive element in this project and the PMC needs to > see that this is not allowed in the ML or meetings. > People need to be able to disagree without being disagreeable. > > When a conversation strays from concepts or technology into insults and > personal attacks, it is the person making the personal attack that loses > the respect of the community. > > View from the cheap seats. > Ron >