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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:35:56 -0700
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Subject: Re: The future of OFBiz - Open Discussion
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> I believe he is a destructive force in the community

This is an inappropriate venue for personal attacks.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Scott Gray <scott.gray@hotwaxmedia.com>wrote:

>
> I won't be attending simply because it is organized by Pierre (and because
> the genesis of this meeting seems to have come from a very negative
> perspective). Those of you who are new to the community or who he is polite
> to may not be aware of how rude Pierre can be.  While he does do some good
> work from time to time I believe his presence in the community causes more
> harm than good.  He has almost continuously attacked or worked against the
> PMC for the last year or two and I simply have no interest in hearing
> anything he has to say any longer.  Almost no one seems to remember that he
> told the ASF he would chair an OFBiz presence at an ApacheCon a year or so
> ago, it was advertised, calls for papers/talks were made and submitted and
> then not long before the conference... he disappeared with no explanation
> to anyone.  PMC members were forced to attend the conference (that he
> organized without consulting the PMC at all) and chair in his place on
> short notice to maintain the credibility of the project.  As far as I know
> he has never apologized to or thanked those who took his place and never
> offered an explanation, he simply reappeared 6 months later and carried on
> causing trouble as usual.  I have a hard time believing Pierre will ever be
> a committer or core contributor to this project so long as he continues to
> spectacularly fail at working well with others (this is just my opinion,
> I'm only one voice of many in the community).  While I believe he is a
> destructive force in the community, there is nothing I can do about that,
> everyone is pretty much free to do as they please.  It's up to each and
> every one of you to decide what he brings to the table and interact with
> him accordingly.
>
> People talk about PMC "hidden agendas" and other conspiracy theories but
> often the reality is that it can be difficult to find motivation to work on
> a project that is constantly critical of the work you do.  When I joined
> this project there was very little infighting and contributing was a
> rewarding experience that earned you respect and praise from your peers.
>  It's a warm fuzzy feeling that keeps you active at nights and on weekends
> working on something you're passionate about.  For me, that passion is fast
> disappearing because of people like Pierre (he is certainly not the first
> but he is particularly vocal).  It feels like I'm regularly reading
> critical emails from various community members, either of the way the
> project is run or the way the project is progressing.  What I very rarely
> see is any action behind the talk; people suggest major changes and then
> carry on with their day.  No one actually gets anything done.  I'm sure
> some of you would replace the entire PMC given half the chance and that may
> seem like some great achievement, but eventually...  you're going to have
> to actually do something tangible to keep the community happy and achieve
> the goals you speak of.  If you're not doing anything tangible now, then
> you're as much a part of the problem as anyone else, take pause before you
> throw those stones.  You're being critical of those who have stayed when
> others have come and gone, those who have contributed more unpaid hours
> than most.
>
> How many of you can claim that you do the work in project that would match
> what you'd like to see from a committer or PMC member?  There is absolutely
> nothing stopping you from making that type of contribution right now, so
> what is the issue?
>
> For those of you who have an opinion but aren't actually doing anything
> tangible (commit reviews, patch reviews, ticket research, contributing
> designs and documentation), the brighter future of OFBiz starts with you.
>  Be the change that you want to see, go and do something productive for the
> project instead of complaining about what others are not doing.  Just to be
> clear, contributing to general discussions isn't much of a contribution,
> it's extremely rare that they result in anything positive actually
> happening.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
>
> On 7/03/2014, at 9:00 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I invite you to join me and participate in an open discussion on the
> > functioning and future of OFbiz via a teleconference on March 13, 2014.
> >
> > Share your thoughts and insights on how you feel it going and what you
> > would like to see addressed in the project. Plus, it is a great
> opportunity
> > to get to know your fellow community member better than just through
> > communications via mailing lists.
> >
> > I have set up a conference space through www.freeconferencecall.com and
> > tried to find an optimum sweet spot for the time slot to convene this
> > teleconference that will minimise the inconvenience for most. Therefore I
> > have chosen to set the starting time at 14:30 AMS time. Please find
> below a
> > small overview of starting times in different timezones:
> >
> > LocationLocal timeTime zoneUTC offsetLos
> > Angeles<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=137> (U.S.A.
> > - California)Thursday, 13 March 2014,
> > 06:30:00PDT<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/pdt.html
> >UTC-7
> > hoursNew York <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179>
> (U.S.A.
> > - New York)Thursday, 13 March 2014,
> > 09:30:00EDT<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/edt.html
> >UTC-4
> > hoursLondon <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=136>
> (United
> > Kingdom - England)Thursday, 13 March 2014,
> > 13:30:00GMT<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/gmt.html>
> > UTCAmsterdam <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=16>
> > (Netherlands)Thursday, 13 March 2014,
> > 14:30:00CET<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/cet.html
> >UTC+1
> > hourMoscow <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=166>
> > (Russia)Thursday,
> > 13 March 2014, 17:30:00MSK<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/msk.html
> >UTC+4
> > hoursBangalore <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=438>
> (India
> > - Karnataka)Thursday, 13 March 2014,
> > 19:00:00IST<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/asia/ist.html
> >UTC+5:30
> > hoursBangkok <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=28>
> > (Thailand)Thursday, 13 March 2014,
> > 20:30:00ICT<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/asia/ict.html
> >UTC+7
> > hoursAuckland <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=22>
> (New
> > Zealand)Friday, 14 March 2014,
> > 02:30:00NZDT<
> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/pacific/nzdt.html
> >UTC+13
> > hoursCorresponding UTC (GMT)Thursday, 13 March 2014, 13:30:00
> > Please find below some details about how to participate, but you can
> always
> > more info on the website of http://freeconferencecall.com
> >
> > *Conference Invite Details* Instructions*From: pierre.smits@orrtiz.com
> > <pierre.smits@orrtiz.com>*
> >
> > *Subject: * The Future of OFBiz - Open Discussion
> > *Date & time: * 2014-03-13 14:30 (GMT+01:00)
> > *Duration: * 2 hr.
> >
> > *Notes: *
> >
> > *Free Conference Call*
> > Conference Dial-in Number: +31 (0) 6 35205070 (Number in the
> Netherlands)
> > Participant Access Code: 779895#
> >
> >
> >
> > <
> http://www.freeconferencecall.com/fcci/internationalnumbers.aspx?lang=NL&altlang=EN&phonenumber=+31%20(0)%206%2035205070
> >
> >
> > When prompted enter the access code that has been assigned, followed by
> the
> > # key. Once connected to the conference, you will be able to talk and
> have
> > access to the touch tone commands listed below.
> >
> >
> > Participant Feature KeysExit - exit the callInstructions - conference
> > instructionsMute/Unmute - caller controlled muting
> >
> >
> > I hope to see you there.
> >
> > With regards
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > Services and Retail & Trade
> > http://www.orrtiz.com
>
>
>

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