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From: Scott Gray <scott.gray@hotwaxmedia.com>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:16:54 +1200
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Oh, you do this for every bug fix do you?  I was merely giving examples =
of repeated efforts to keep the trunk stable and pointing out that new =
features introduce bugs and at times those bugs will appear in areas =
that were previously considered stable.  Unit tests are a good idea but =
they take time to create and maintain and a relatively small amount of =
OFBiz is covered by them.  Using a released version requires much less =
work and virtually no risk of regression between minor releases.

Regards
Scott

On 26/07/2011, at 2:57 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:

> If errors come back, why not add a junit test to check it what we did
> for the shopping cart and checkout?
>=20
> That is the best assurance an error does not come back......
>=20
> On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 14:33 +1200, Scott Gray wrote:
>> If people are willing to believe that the trunk carries minimal extra =
risks in terms of stability and bugs then good luck to them.  The number =
of open bugs in JIRA is a pretty good indication that bugs occur =
regularly and sometimes take years to fix. =20
>>=20
>> The reality is that every commit carries a risk of regression and =
I've personally fixed many bugs repeatedly as they continue to resurface =
with new commits.  Editing an order with promotions is an example of =
this, I've fixed it at least twice over the years and I believe it's =
broken again at the moment.  Order and invoice rounding is another issue =
I've had to deal with a few times.
>>=20
>> Obviously there is a reason that OFBiz, just like most other =
software, creates and maintains releases.  That reason is stability for =
end users.
>>=20
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>=20
>> On 26/07/2011, at 1:20 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>=20
>>> I can really say that the trunk version has only very minimal extra
>>> risks especially if you are supported by an OFBiz service provider =
who
>>> is using OFBiz himself like us.
>>>=20
>>> We are always using the trunk version for Antwebsystems.com for most
>>> functions within our own company and upgrade at a maximum every =
month.
>>> Once in a while (1-2 times per year) we find blocking problems. We =
do
>>> however always fix these within hours and in the mean time provide =
an
>>> earlier svn version which was functioning well.=20
>>>=20
>>> We advise our users to upgrade the system at least once every 3 =
months
>>> when the upgrade efforts are minimal.
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> ofbiz.info on twitter: http://twitter.com/ofbiz_info
>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 12:48 +1200, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>> I'd definitely encourage early adopters to go for 11.04, but at the =
end of the day the choice between 10.04, 11.04 or the trunk is simply a =
matter of weighing the desire for new features against risk of =
instability and bugs.
>>>>=20
>>>> The use of vendor branches is equally applicable to any version of =
OFBiz.  I was simply pointing out that some committers are more likely =
to recommend the trunk because it is easier for them to work with, but =
perhaps it is not necessarily in the best interests of the client due to =
the increased risks.
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards
>>>> Scott
>>>>=20
>>>> On 26/07/2011, at 2:54 AM, Mike wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Why 10.04 vs 11.04 at this point?  11.04 is way better (blogging
>>>>> actually works).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Also, as long as you have gone through the initial trouble of =
setting
>>>>> up your own vendor branch (real important) using trunk is =
feasible.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Scott Gray =
<scott.gray@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just to put out an opposing point of view, I recommend using the =
latest stable release and not the trunk.  The trunk is susceptible to =
new bugs whereas 10.04 is not and in fact has seen nothing but bug fixes =
for the past 15 months.  So imagine taking the trunk and spending 15 =
months only fixing bugs, that is what 10.04 is.  Does the trunk have =
more features? Yes, but in my opinion you're unlikely to need any of =
them and if you do you can always consider back porting the relevant =
code that you need.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Using the trunk is simply more convenient for committers because =
they can commit their changes instead of maintaining patches like =
everyone else.  Most users don't have that power and if they do submit a =
patch it is pretty unlikely it will get committed very quickly.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 4:45 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> i just tested with the trunk version and followed the following =
blog:
>>>>>>> =
http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=3D16907
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> There it is working well.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I advice you to use the latest trunk version and not 10.04. Here =
in
>>>>>>> Antwebsystems we always use the latest version from svn which in =
my
>>>>>>> opinion has the least problems and the most features.
>>>>>>> If there would be a blocking problem in the latest version, we =
normally
>>>>>>> fix that within a couple of hours after reporting.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Further, Postgresql is preferred above Mysql seeing the recent =
takeover
>>>>>>> by Oracle and the following article:
>>>>>>> =
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Why_PostgreSQL_Instead_of_MySQL:_Comparing=
_Reliability_and_Speed_in_2007
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 12:59 -0700, Tim Stoel wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have OfBiz 10.04 installed on a local server with MySQL as =
the database
>>>>>>>> engine, we=B9ve been working with this for about six months =
now. We are
>>>>>>>> intending to use OfBiz for eCommerce, as well as sales order =
processing for
>>>>>>>> eBay orders and have made a lot of progress in adapting it to =
our business.
>>>>>>>> When we installed OfBiz, there is a lot of demo data in the =
database.  I
>>>>>>>> wondered what the best way is to deal with this data.  When I =
setup OfBiz
>>>>>>>> with only seed data, it seemed a lot of things were not =
configured that were
>>>>>>>> useful, which is why I went back to using all of the demo data. =
 Should it
>>>>>>>> be deleted one record at a time manually using another database =
tool?  What
>>>>>>>> is the best path to get from an install of OfBiz to using it =
without the
>>>>>>>> excess demo entries?  Is there any documentation on this?
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>=20
>>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>=20


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