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From "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Subject Re: *.fo.ftl
Date Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:44:19 GMT
If you get a chance after testing those tools, could you send use a feedback ?



From: "Sanders, Brian" <BSanders@connextions.com>
>I don't necessarily rely on such tools, but they are good for creating a
> rough draft of the end result. Once you get the general look you're
> going for, then you go and hand-edit the code. I did find some tools on
> the net that will convert HTML to FO. They're not perfect, but they may
> be somewhat viable.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David E Jones [mailto:david.jones@hotwaxmedia.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:33 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: *.fo.ftl
> "Hand-coding" XSL-FO is a lot like direct editing of HTML and CSS.  
> Some people like editors that behave like a word processor so they  
> never have to see an HTML tag, but most people (especially in recent  
> years) seem to just go for the direct manipulation of HTML and CSS.  
> There are very few web sites, especially dynamic (database driven) web  
> sites, that don't have some or all of the HTML and CSS manually  
> written. Part of the problem is that if you want flexibility then you  
> can't effectively use many of the WYSIWIG style tools, so they're  
> really only good for simple sites. This is made more dramatic by  
> browser compatibility problems and such.
> For XSL-FO the problem is a lot easier since the standards are better  
> (and more consistently followed, unlike HTML and CSS). My guess about  
> why such things are not more common is the same as for many tools,  
> including tools for things in OFBiz: doing it by direct text editing  
> is not that hard, so there just isn't much demand for special tools.
> BTW, I'm talking specifically about things that are NOT static  
> documents. None of the XSL-FO templates in OFBiz are used for static  
> documents, so in addition to the editor having to understand XSL-FO it  
> also has to understand the dynamic parts of the document... and that  
> makes the editor a lot more complicated and a lot less useful compared  
> to just editing the files.
> So yes, all of the HTML, CSS, XSL-FO, JavaScript, Java, XML, etc, etc  
> in OFBiz is created by hand (ever since late 2001 anyway, when we  
> decided that good tool design is a better approach than code  
> generation for poorly designed tools).
> -David
> On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Sanders, Brian wrote:
>> Tis a commercial product. So, were these files hand coded then?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jacques Le Roux [mailto:jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:33 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: *.fo.ftl
>> Ha yes : xslfast
>> Jacques
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com>
>>> AFAIK, there are no free editors but some commercials (Google for
>> <<editor "xsf:fo">>)
>>> Jacques
>>> From: "Sanders, Brian" <BSanders@connextions.com>
>>> Were these files coded by hand, or was some sort of a WYSIWYG editor
>>> used? I need to modify the pack slip and it's a bit of a headache.
>> Does
>>> anyone know of a decent, free editor/designer I might be able to use?
>>> Thanks.

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