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From Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Subject Re: Apache OFBiz Service Providers page
Date Wed, 03 Aug 2016 20:54:03 GMT
Le 03/08/2016 à 21:52, Pierre Smits a écrit :
> I believe the link to the site of Antweb (ofbiz.info) adds little value, as
> the list can be sorted on location.

I agree

> Further more the columns 'number of committers/contributors' and
> 'Contributors' provide an unfair advantage to those with committers and
> more than 1 contributor. The same applies with to service providers with
> more than one location. As I mentioned earlier, let the service providers
> do their marketing on their own site. Referencing blog sites, social media
> accounts, email addresses, etc falls into that category.
> A link to the primary website of the service provider should be enough,
> resulting in following columns in the table:
>     - name
>     - Country, Province/Region/State
>     - website.

Makes sense to me. I'd add that we should not put plain email addresses but things like "committer
at apache dot org". I believe you have more chances 
to get spam than a lead using a plain email address there!
As Pierre advocated, marketing should be done on websites.


> Best regards,
> Pierre Smits
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the effort Sharan!
>> I'd wait a bit that people have a look. I just had a glance but did not
>> review all yet.
>> for instance, I'm fine with http://www.ofbiz.info/control/providers but I
>> wonder if it follows the rules because I also did not read yet
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#productsupport
>> Jacques
>> Le 03/08/2016 à 14:21, Sharan Foga a écrit :
>>> Hi All
>>> I have done an initial review of the service provider page and removed
>>> any of the links that are broken, no longer working or where the webpage
>>> has nothing to do with OFBiz. If I know that it is OFBiz related (even
>>> though I couldnt find it on the website, I have left it in the list). There
>>> are a few Chinese ones that I will need some help in de-coding :-)
>>> I think this list built up to a big size was because it was previously
>>> open and people just came in and created an entry and link to their
>>> website, even if it had absolutely nothing to do with OFBiz. Now with
>>> having to be a contributor to edit the wiki, I hope this will prevent this
>>> type of thing happening in the future.
>>> It is sorted alphabetically and I've removed the description column. I
>>> will take a look at the link Emmanuel has provided. Should I continue with
>>> the tidy up based on what has been talked about so far or should I wait to
>>> see if this needs to be discussed some more?
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>> On 2016-08-03 09:43 (+0200), "Sharan Foga"<sharan.foga@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I will start to implement some of these changes discussed here so if
>>>> anyone else wants to join in and help, then please feel free.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sharan
>>>> On 2016-08-02 16:06 (+0200), Jacopo Cappellato <
>>>> jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
>>>>> While we wait for the new site we could:
>>>>> 0) add the page discalimer as suggested; additionally, as Jacques
>>>>> pointed
>>>>> out, this page is open to anyone who submits an ICLA and asks to be
>>>>> registered as OFBiz contributor: no one is really reviewing the data
>>>>> provided... we could mention this in the header of the page
>>>>> 1) merge the two lists into one
>>>>> 2) sort in alphabetical order
>>>>> 3) add a column with the number of committers; one with the number of
>>>>> contributors; we could add also a column with the number of employees
>>>>> working on OFBiz related projects; I don't think that this data would
>>>>> "unduly
>>>>> advantage one commercial entity": the idea is to provide some insight
>>>>> about
>>>>> the teams available to work on OFBiz specific projects
>>>>> 4) make the above columns sortable
>>>>> 5) Location: simply specify the location of the company's
>>>>> offices/buildings; in the description the company can specify the
>>>>> countries
>>>>> of operation
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <
>>>>> elecharny@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi !
>>>>>> it came to my attention that this page :
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Service+Providers
>>>>>> might not be neutral enough, as it lists companies having Ofbiz
>>>>>> committers before any other companies. This is a problem, accordingly
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> this :
>>>>>> "Apache is a 501(c)(3) non-profit, which is a tax-exempt charity
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> public
>>>>>> good.  As such, our projects must not unduly advantage one commercial
>>>>>> entity
>>>>>> over another -- otherwise, funding our projects would be a way to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> commercial activity without being taxed."
>>>>>> You can also have a look at
>>>>>> http://community.apache.org/projectIndependence :
>>>>>> "
>>>>>>       Apache projects are managed independently
>>>>>> Apache projects must be managed independently, and PMCs must ensure
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> they are acting in the best interests of the project as a whole.
>>>>>> that it is similarly important that the PMC clearly show this
>>>>>> independence within their project community. The perception of existing
>>>>>> and new participants within the community that the PMC is run
>>>>>> independently and without favoring any specific third parties over
>>>>>> others is important, to allow new contributors to feel comfortable
>>>>>> joining the community and contributing their work. A community that
>>>>>> obviously favors one specific vendor in some exclusive way will often
>>>>>> discourage new contributors from competing vendors, which is an issue
>>>>>> for the long term health of the project.
>>>>>> "
>>>>>> I would suggest you rework this page to order the company using an
>>>>>> alphabetical order, not mentionning the fact taht some committers
>>>>>> belong
>>>>>> to those companies.
>>>>>> I'm not sure that grouping companies by country is the right thing
>>>>>> do, as some of them might provide support in many countries. One
>>>>>> would be to add the list of countries a company provides support
in on
>>>>>> the same line.
>>>>>> A disclaimer at the top of the page may also be added, informing
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> neither Apache nor the project endorse any company. You can have
a look
>>>>>> at other project's page :
>>>>>> http://cxf.apache.org/commercial-cxf-offerings.html
>>>>>> http://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html
>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>> Emmanuel Lécharny

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