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From Divesh Dutta <divesh.du...@hotwaxsystems.com>
Subject Re: My experience with refactoring the framework
Date Tue, 07 Jun 2016 12:14:55 GMT
Thanks Taher for the links. Me , Mridul and Pranay have picked some items
from the list. We will keep discussing on these items.

Also as you said it will be great once we come up with some clever solution
to collaborate on these items so that we discuss and make progress on
refactoring effort.

Thanks
--
Divesh Dutta.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <slidingfilaments@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Divesh,
>
> This initiative is already going and I invite to jump in:
> here ->
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Re-Factor+To-Do+List
> and here ->
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Coding+Practices
>
> I will work on more tasks and more ideas for people to jump in. However, I
> think the problem right now is that of communication and reaching out to
> interested members who perhaps are intimidated by the process. That's why
> it was a great gesture from Sharan to invite mentors and I will wait for
> Sharan or others to come up with some clever solution for us to collaborate
> more effectively.
>
> So to give you some clarity on the vision for the refactoring project:
> - Code should be clean
> - Things should be modular and isolated
> - Lower level things should not depend on higher level things
>
> That's it, that's the plan! If we stick to it completely and religiously
> and continue doing this for say 12 months or more, then the code would
> reach a level of clarity that ALLOWS YOU TO THINK of new ideas and ways to
> improve. You cannot think in a mess!
>
> I hope you can join and help out. Take a look at the wiki.
>
> Taher Alkhateeb
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Divesh Dutta <
> divesh.dutta@hotwaxsystems.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Taher,
> >
> > Please let us know how can others help you here. I am sure there are many
> > members who are willing to participate here and help you in refactoring.
> > But all might not know what you have exactly in your mind.
> >
> > If you can start with some portions of framework and start describing the
> > problem you see in current implementation , solution you propose with
> > design notes or implementation notes or some thing to start with for
> other
> > developers, I am sure it will be good start for others to collaborate.
> And
> > we can also create road map of the refactoring work so that all knows
> what
> > is coming up.
> >
> >
> > As you are leading this effort, I will request you to take further
> > initiative and we all are here to help you .
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > --
> > Divesh Dutta.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <
> > slidingfilaments@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sharan,
> > >
> > > It's really good to have you on board in this project, thank you for
> the
> > > positive energy :) I compile below my ideas based on your feedback:
> > >
> > > First of all, the ideas I listed in this thread are just ideas that are
> > > subject to change. The important thing is moving forward and getting
> > things
> > > done. So I ask everyone not to worry too much about the choice of
> > > technology or tool to use here or there. I'm sure whatever we decide to
> > go
> > > with eventually is okay. In the end, these are tools, what matters is
> > > people and process.
> > >
> > > Second I noticed a problem that maybe you Sharan can help with. I
> > observed
> > > multiple times from some community members that they actually _want_ to
> > > help but are overwhelmed with the complexity of this process and are
> not
> > > sure how to help.
> > >
> > > The hesitation for others to engage is because collaboration over the
> > Wiki
> > > Page, Mailing List and JIRA is definitely not enough. Why?
> > >
> > > - Slow (feedback on progress, hints, guidance)
> > > - Not very friendly for beginners
> > > - Intimidating: some might be reluctant to ask basic questions on
> > > architecture or programming or so.
> > > - Overwhelming: We are discussing very technical matters and some
> people
> > > would freak out at the complexity. They need to understand that there
> are
> > > different tasks at different levels of complexity and that there are
> > senior
> > > out there who are willing to help. The tools we are using for
> > collaboration
> > > makes it difficult to convey this fact.
> > > - Impersonal and we cannot get people engaged. Things like
> conversations,
> > > brainstorming, assigning tasks, discussing, coaching, teaching and
> > > encouraging are difficult to do. These personal elements are crucial
> for
> > > knowledge transfer and support.
> > >
> > > In short, I think there are members in the society who are willing to
> > > help, but not sure how. It's really unfortunate not to engage these
> > > individuals because of communication barriers.
> > >
> > > My 2 cents!
> > >
> > > Taher Alkhateeb
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sharan-F [mailto:sharan.foga@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: 06 June 2016 10:57
> > > To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: My experience with refactoring the framework
> > >
> > > Hi Taher
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing your experience as I think it contains some real
> > > insights and also re-confirms an important task – we need to tidy up
> our
> > > code. And the one crucial message I hear loud and clear in your email
> is
> > > that we need everyone to help out too.
> > >
> > > (BTW I've seen the amount of work that you have done on the start.java
> > > which is looking very elegant now :-)
> > >
> > > Your list re-factoring ideas touch on a lot of areas that I'm sure will
> > > generate discussion and I hope that we don't get too caught up in the
> > > discussion that we don't act. We need to stay active by continually
> doing
> > > something that improves OFBiz.
> > >
> > > I agree that we should look at holding off adding new features or
> > > improvements now and just clean. I've seen the huge amount of activity
> > that
> > > is happening at the moment so let's see if we can maybe focus some of
> > that
> > > energy into tidying up our code and getting rid of our ' historic
> > technical
> > > debt' (as mentioned by Jacques).
> > >
> > > It sounds like you have already a list of tasks to replenish our
> Current
> > > Re-Factor To Do list so let's do that and get the message out to the
> > > community about what they can do to help. I noticed that if we have a
> > list
> > > of tasks that people can pick up easily, then they will.
> > >
> > > Going forward we may need to have a bit more co-ordination and also
> work
> > > together in small groups focussing on particular areas so things dont
> get
> > > broken, especially once the applications start being affected.
> > >
> > > I'm happy to help so just let me know how I can.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sharan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > >
> >
> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/My-experience-with-refactoring-the-framework-tp4682539p4682591.html
> > > Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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