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From Hans Bakker <h.bak...@antwebsystems.com>
Subject Re: Addons for OFBiz
Date Wed, 13 May 2015 07:48:55 GMT
Julien, It can be that i do not understand your point.

When we implement OFBiz for a customer we create a new component in 
hot-deploy and we re-use as much from the OFBiz system as we can. We 
also create new components like GrowERP which is just a component in 
Hot-deploy. When we do that we almost not change the core ofbiz system 
so we can easily upgrade.

So i think that add-ons can be easily created just by adding new 
components in hot-deploy, or do i miss something?


On 13/05/15 13:56, Julien NICOLAS wrote:
> Hi all,
> I was hopping more people will explain on this subject. It's exactly 
> what I was thinking, that the functional part is less than the last 
> priority of the project.
> I don't know exactly how I can do it but I really want to start 
> something that will use OFBiz as a framework. If it can be done with 
> the OFBiz community, it will be really good.
> Efforts exist but need people of the strong OFBiz community to be 
> really better (GrowERP, BigFish, TERCompta, etc.).
> It's a pity that every new company that want to work with OFBiz must 
> work on it's own version to be able to integrate it. I don't think 
> it's a good thing for the project growing.
> And OFBiz community don't allow company to find easily other effort to 
> enhance the software. And finally it seems that there is less than 5 
> peoples interested to work on this way.
> Maybe I'm wrong, functional is not as important as I thought...
> Sorry for the noise,
> Julien.
> Le 07/05/2015 16:00, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>> I agree with Julien's analysis.
>> If I say "sub-projects" again, Jacques will whack me upside the head 
>> but I really think that a restructuring of the way the architecture 
>> is presented and developed would provide a number of benefits:
>> - increase community involvement with less work for the current key 
>> committers
>> - reduce or eliminate sub-optimal inter-component dependencies 
>> through clearer definitions and independent releases of components
>> - reduce mixing of core seed data with demo and customizable seed 
>> data and inter-component data confusion.
>> - facilitate the construction of components and add-ons that do not 
>> have undesirable or unknown side-affects
>> - facilitate the injection of a smart installer that would allow the 
>> selection of  components and templates as suggested at install time.
>> - facilitate the development of an OFBiz marketplace for add-ons and 
>> industry-specific configurations.
>> - make the role of the framework as a base for other products much 
>> clearer.
>> - possibly make it easier to "Moquify" the framework if the framework 
>> API can be made less implementation dependent - lots of issues here 
>> that already have been fully ventilated last week.
>> Ron
>> On 07/05/2015 7:28 AM, Michael Brohl wrote:
>>> Hi Julien,
>>> thank you for bringing this up!
>>> I don't think that this is of no interest in the community, it's 
>>> just overlaid by the many other topics we are discussing currently. 
>>> I personally think that all topics are worth to be discussed and 
>>> elaborated, maybe they have to be prioritised a little bit more. 
>>> Right now it's a little bit confusing and not easy to follow (and 
>>> contribute to) the discussions besides daily business.
>>> I think it is an important topic to simplify the backend component's 
>>> UI and have more sophisticated usability there. On the other hand, 
>>> it is important to somehow show customers the powers of OFBiz and 
>>> the many already set-up functionalities. It would be a big step 
>>> forward if we find a way to make this customizeable. For an ERP, it 
>>> would also be a big plus to have some kind of "business templates" 
>>> (!= UI templates) on top of such a mechanism, like
>>> - Your customer sells products over the internet? - pull the 
>>> ecommerce template
>>> - Your customer brews beer? - pull the manufacturing +x template
>>> - Your customer has a small business? - pull the corresponding template
>>> etc.
>>> I belive that would require different configuration mechanisms, more 
>>> on a database level with a clever UI instead of many different 
>>> property files. And maybe a tool to chain services together on base 
>>> of  such a template.
>>> I won't reduce the functionality in OFBiz per se, as long as they 
>>> are stable and/or have a maintainer.
>>> I know of at least one contributor who is also working on a more 
>>> sophisticated UI, maybe he shows up here also ;-)
>>> So, without having a concrete plan or more thought-out ideas how to 
>>> implement this, I would support such an effort.
>>> As a community, I think we have to find a way to channel the 
>>> different interests from core technology work up to the business 
>>> layer. Some kind of overall project management would help but would 
>>> be difficult to install in an open community. Too many open building 
>>> sites in parallel are not that efficient.
>>> Curious what others think...
>>> Regards,
>>> Michael Brohl
>>> ecomify GmbH
>>> www.ecomify.de
>>> Am 07.05.15 um 12:48 schrieb Julien NICOLAS:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> Since I work on the bootstrap theme in OFBiz, I have many 
>>>> thoughtful, carefully read the ofbiz community exchanges and spoke 
>>>> with some members of the OFBiz community.
>>>> Today I am convinced that the OFBiz project is a framework that is 
>>>> not intended to be an ERP. Its OOTB user interface is a nightmare 
>>>> and is not really user oriented.
>>>> Several topics that seem to have no link together, seems to be 
>>>> linked around the same idea.
>>>> The first topic is about functionality of OFBiz.
>>>> On one hand, there is the OFBiz framework. It contains a user 
>>>> interface to show the possibility of OFBiz, but must be changed 
>>>> during integration. It also includes functional oriented features. 
>>>> These features split the community between those who want to keep 
>>>> them in the project and those who wish to exclude them.
>>>> On the other hand, there are new initiatives,abandoned projects, 
>>>> old or having no longer contributors (project manager, POS, etc.) 
>>>> who need support, visibility, even if they are not added to the 
>>>> OFBiz project.
>>>> A first approach was discussed with GIT. It can allow everyone to 
>>>> share their work more easily with branch feature. Which is good but 
>>>> not the best in my opinion.
>>>> Another topic that is important to me is the functional part of OFBiz.
>>>> Sharan explained me about its willingness to invest energy to make 
>>>> the software more functional, and if it's possible to have a 
>>>> version with ERP oriented for small businesses with minimal 
>>>> features but easy to use. Like growERP or TerCompta offer. Using 
>>>> OFBiz framework but simplify the UI to allow the software to be 
>>>> used intuitively without modifications.
>>>> These initiatives come up against the model of OFBiz project. Who 
>>>> has still not decided whether it is an ERP, in which case it needs 
>>>> to adjust its UI or an automation of enterprise processes 
>>>> framework, which involves getting rid of unnecessary features 
>>>> dedicated to ERP.
>>>> There are several solutions that could help to make better the 
>>>> model of OFBiz and satisfy the entire community.
>>>> The first solution would be to limit the “OFBiz framewok” project 
>>>> framework for automation enterprise processes and to have another 
>>>> “OFBiz ERP” project which would use the framework as a basis, and 
>>>> which would provide a user-friendly UI and dedicated tools to ERP.
>>>> The second option is to find a way to cut the project in 
>>>> extensions. This solution would have the opportunity to clean the 
>>>> framework and have features as micro projects and therefore no 
>>>> longer a monolithic software.
>>>> I see a lot of debate about adding new functionality that allow to 
>>>> improve development, compile, manage sources, merge with another 
>>>> framework, but the debate on the division of project extensions 
>>>> seems not to interest. It seems to me extremely important to 
>>>> facilitate development and therefore, ultimately, the visibility of 
>>>> the project in the developers community.
>>>> At Nomaka, we initiated an effort starting from the first solution. 
>>>> We took OFBiz framework, deleted all the themes and created a new 
>>>> one. Then we redesigned the interface to match a basic ERP.
>>>> We started with actor UI. Disabled existing screens and created new 
>>>> ones more functional and user-friendly.
>>>> I find it a pity to work alone in my corner without being able to 
>>>> easily share my work, without taking advantage of the OFBiz 
>>>> community knowledge to guide me onthe right way.
>>>> I wonder if we could work on this axis and balance the rigidity 
>>>> necessary to have a stable project and flexibility that allow to 
>>>> include non-committer contributions ...
>>>> What do you think ?
>>>> Julien.

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