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From Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Birthday's Change
Date Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:15:46 GMT
Rupert,

Please create the JIRA issue. Irrespective of what the users timezone is,
the date must always be stored in accordance with the timezone setting of
the internal company used (with a failover (if not set) to the default of
the tenant, which - if not set - fails over to the default of the OFBiz
setup (from a .properties file). And yes, calculations to/from should
always have 12:00 noon in mind.

Regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Rupert Howell <ruperthowell@provolve.com>wrote:

> Thanks Gareth that was put much more eloquently.
> Adrian / Pierre are you happy there's an issue here and I'll raise a Jira
> and submit a patch.
>
> Can we discuss if there's a need for for a new "date-fixed" field type that
> never has the timezone applied to the date format on display or whether we
> should use the existing date as a container for a specific moment in time
> that is completely TZ independent. In my mind the latter is how it should
> be since java.util.Date has no TZ information attached to it I cant see how
> formatting it with a  timezone is atall beneficial.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> On 1 April 2014 09:45, <gareth_carter@stannah.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Me and Rupert have been looking at this as we've had this issue for a
> > while with specifically the Birth Date field - but any date only fields
> > will have this issue.
> >
> > The birth date field is date only in ofbiz and in the database
> > java.sql.Date is returned from jdbc drivers when the field is SQL date,
> > the date will be set but the time will always be 00:00:00. The
> > java.sql.Date is only there to represent date only component of
> > java,util.Date (java.sql.Date overrides toString method to return only
> the
> > date)
> > Because java.sql.Date extends java.util.Date and can be used in
> DateFormat
> > class, applying a timezone with a negative offset will shift the day to
> the
> > previous day because time is ALWAYS set to 00:00:00
> >
> > This also occurs in freemarker if you convert a java.sql.Date to a string
> > using syntax such as ${date?string} where date is a java.sql.Date
> object. I
> > have created a fix in my fork at
> > https://github.com/gareth-carter/freemarker
> >
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> >
> > From:        Rupert Howell <ruperthowell@provolve.com>
> > To:        "dev@ofbiz.apache.org" <dev@ofbiz.apache.org>
> > Date:        01/04/2014 09:27
> > Subject:        Re: Birthday's Change
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > My birth date is my birth date wherever I am in the world - it is not
> > relative. My passport doesn't change as I travel through Timezones. Yet
> if
> > I view my passport information is OFBiz it will change,
> > Dates need to be viewed as dates and be totally independent of
> timezones. I
> > cannot think of a single reason why you would want to be specific with
> > dates. If you do want to be specific and have them change as to where you
> > view them from - you'd just use Timestamps.
> >
> >
> > On 1 April 2014 09:12, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Rupert,
> > >
> > > You are right when you don't want to be to specific. But if you are
> > > specific and precise then a birthday needs to have a time zone
> > associated.
> > >
> > > Remember it is not the birthday itself that shifts, but your viewpoint
> of
> > > it when changing locations (meaning time zones).
> > >
> > > Regarding.
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hmm.
> > > >
> > > > Digging a bit deeper I see that birthday is persisted as a date. So
> > that
> > > > shouldn't be creating issues.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pierre Smits
> > > >
> > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Pierre Smits <
> pierre.smits@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Rupert,
> > > >>
> > > >> A date should not be stored as a date-time, but as a date. This
> > appears
> > > >> throughout the entire spectrum of apps where dates are intended.
> Over
> > > 600
> > > >> entity fields are designated as date-time, 18 entity fields are
> > > designated
> > > >> as date and 8 as time.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Pierre Smits
> > > >>
> > > >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > >> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > >> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > >> Services and Retail & Trade
> > > >> http://www.orrtiz.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Rupert Howell <
> > > ruperthowell@provolve.com>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> There's a definite problem with the way the dates are displayed
in
> > > OFBiz.
> > > >>> If you enter a birthday with your local timezone set to UTC, then
> > > change
> > > >>> the timezone to -12, the birthday changes to the previous day.
This
> > is
> > > >>> clearly wrong and is really apparent if you have your Server
> Timezone
> > > set
> > > >>> to GB. If the birthday is within BST (April - October) and you
are
> in
> > > GMT
> > > >>> (Nov - March) they all appear incorrectly and vice versa.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ultimately this is caused by line 977 UtilDateTime
> > > >>>
> > > >>> f.setTimeZone(tz);
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Can anyone think of a legitimate reason why a date would have
a
> > > timezone
> > > >>> applied? A date is a date. January 1st is January 1st no matter
> where
> > > in
> > > >>> the world you are. I would have thought if you want a date to
be
> > > timezone
> > > >>> dependent you'd use a Timestamp.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I could patch line 666 of ModelFormField but I think it would
be
> > better
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> actually change the UtilDateTime method..
> > > >>> --
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> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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