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From Mike Bates <mike.ba...@hotwaxmedia.com>
Subject Re: The future of OFBiz - Open Discussion
Date Wed, 19 Mar 2014 06:43:04 GMT

I understand your concerns, and I’m sorry you feel that you are somehow excluded based on
anything other than merit. That must be a frustrating feeling.

The fact is, there is no history of HWM affiliation increasing the likelihood of PMC membership.
Indeed 4 of the 6 individuals you mentioned were PMC members prior to their affiliation with
HWM, and a 5th was at least a committer prior to his affiliation with HWM. Hopefully that
will help you accept that the PMC is indeed merit-driven, and has been formed and maintained
in accordance with the relevant ASF policies.

At HotWax Media we will continue to do our best to make sure that OFBiz is a healthy project
with a supportive community. We don't always do that perfectly, of course, but we try. In
that spirit, I'll bow out of this conversation with you now Paul, because I don't see any
more value in it. You are on the wrong path, and I don't want to encourage you any more than
I already have. Here's hoping you will focus your energy on something other than the HotWax
Conspiracy going forward.

If we can find a productive way to collaborate on improving OFBiz, let's do it!

Best regards,


Mike Bates
HotWax Media
main: 877.736.4080
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On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Paul Piper <pp@ilscipio.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> I am not biased against HWM, but what I question is the objectivity that is
> currently used within this project. As an open source software, you would
> assume that this project is run by the community - as often claimed by
> anybody within the PMC. If you look at the current list of members and there
> personal relations, I would argue that there is at least a conflicting
> perspective: 
> PMC Members with HWM background
> * Jacopo Cappellato (V.P. Technology - Hotwax Media)
> * Scott Gray (Developer - Hotwax Media)
> * Bilgin Ibryam (Former Hotwax Developer)
> * David E. Jones (Former CTO Hotwax Media)
> * Anil Patel (COO Hotwax Media)
> * Ashish Vijaywargiya (Vice President of Operations at HotWax Media)
> * Andrew Zeneski (former CIO Hotwax Media)
> ---
> Other PMC members
> * Adrian Crum
> * Hans Bakker
> * Jacques le Roux
> * Erwan de Ferrieres
> * Adam Heath
> * David Welton
> If you focus on those that are currently active, you cannot argue that the
> PMC isn't overrun by HWM employees. Now to be very precise on this: I don't
> think that this by itself is a problem. It does, however, put you on the
> spot and makes it less obvious that there is a community focus in place.
> Does this mean that I question every decision by the PMC? No, I think they
> are mostly doing a fine job, but it does mean that the community has to be
> careful, just to make sure that community interest are not neglected in
> favor of company interests. 
> Active movements against large commits, as in OFBIZ-5312 or presented
> before, don't really help to "clear" the air in this case and neither does
> protectionism of software fragments that aren't used much outside HWM.
> --
> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/The-future-of-OFBiz-Open-Discussion-tp4648865p4649425.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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