Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-ofbiz-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 47157 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 21:14:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 21:14:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 91195 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jan 2010 21:14:48 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ofbiz-dev-archive@ofbiz.apache.org Received: (qmail 91166 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jan 2010 21:14:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@ofbiz.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@ofbiz.apache.org Received: (qmail 91156 invoked by uid 99); 2 Jan 2010 21:14:48 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:14:48 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dejc@me.com designates 17.148.16.101 as permitted sender) Received: from [17.148.16.101] (HELO asmtpout026.mac.com) (17.148.16.101) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:14:39 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from [10.8.5.30] ([64.74.245.37]) by asmtp026.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KVN00IX21NOPD80@asmtp026.mac.com> for dev@ofbiz.apache.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:14:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Moving securityext to the framework From: David E Jones In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:14:12 -0600 Message-id: <862A3AA6-5956-4515-94F3-05691AF06F46@me.com> References: <4B3A8AA7.2070808@hlmksw.com> <4B3A9112.3040203@hlmksw.com> <4B3A96D1.1040800@hlmksw.com> <4B3FAABD.7070101@brainfood.com> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Bruno Busco wrote: >> One major question is whether framework, on its own, should even be >> runnable as an application. In my opinion, it is a library, not an app >> and doesn't need to be operational on its own. > > The more we discuss about this the more I get convinced that what we > (or at least me) intend for framework-only distribution should be > better named "OFBiz-core". > The OFBiz-core could consist of framework + party + content + commonext. > > A distribution with these components set up is somewhat similar to > what I mean for a framework where developer can start building its > office automation application without the necessity to disable > anything but having all the power of the framework and the "core" > applications. Your "at least me" comment is right on. Consider that what you want, at least right now, is framework + party + content + commonext. Do you think that will be the same for your next project? Do you think that this is the same for a majority of current and prospective users of OFBiz? I'd be willing to bet a good deal of money that this level of granularity is not adequate to describe what you actually need/want, and that within each of the parts you listed (framework, party, content, commonext) there are dozens or hundreds of more specific things that you either want or don't want. Now consider that with many thousands of such things that will be wanted or not wanted, there are an incredible number of combinations of these things. Each combination is a potential "core" packaging of OFBiz. So, the question is what will be of most use to the largest number of users? That question a good guiding thought, and because of the community nature of this project it will of course be tempered by what contributors (committers or not) actually decide is important to them. Based on that, what should we change in how we're doing things? -David