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From Tim Ruppert <tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com>
Subject Re: Moving securityext to the framework
Date Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:10:05 GMT
Those are exactly the type of questions I was writing concurrently Adam - thanks for bringing
them up.  My off the cuff response is that this isn't tomcat or jboss - it runs in the containers,
but is not one itself, so what exactly would the framework do without an application sitting
on top of it?  I think that we should start looking at positioning this somewhat like what
a JBoss stack implementation might look like - examples for Seam, examples for Hibernate,
examples of security implementations, possibly even examples of content management / use of
Webslinger, etc, etc.  

This would put it up favorably against what the framework "competition" looks like - and would
likely show how much easier it is to develop applications in OFBiz vs some of these other
frameworks that are supposed to be simple for people to use.

Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media


On Jan 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Adam Heath wrote:

> Ean Schuessler wrote:
>> Adrian Crum wrote:
>>> I don't agree that emailing forgotten passwords is like the Webtools
>>> application. As you have discovered, emailing forgotten passwords
>>> entails some decision making, looking up information in various
>>> entities, selecting and rendering an email body template, etc. From my
>>> perspective, all of those things are outside the scope of the framework.
>> I agree. It is easy to imagine that some applications would not allow a
>> password to be reset via email. It might be that the application uses
>> biometrics, cryptographic signatures or who knows what. The framework
>> authentication stubs should accommodate a diversity of approaches.
>> One major question is whether framework, on its own, should even be
>> runnable as an application. In my opinion, it is a library, not an app
>> and doesn't need to be operational on its own.
> What is your definition of operational?  A servlet container that is
> listing for requests on 8009, 8080?  Ready to process rmi requests?
> Is framework a *pure* library, where the application that runs on top
> of it is responsible for starting any long-term, background services,
> or should framework be the application wrapper?

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