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From "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Subject Re: Conditional seed data loading
Date Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:16:02 GMT
Sorry Michael,

So you idea is to propose to use mahsups instead of standard portlets (already 2 std actually,
even 3 with JSR enhancements), that's 
it?

FYO: there has been already a proposition on Mashup
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document#NewFeaturesRoadmap-LivingDocument-IntroduceMashups

Jacques

From: "Michael Xu (xudong)" <dong.xu@wizitsoft.com>
> Maybe we can take a look at mashup, which is not that heavy as portlets.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashup_(web_application_hybrid)
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashup_(web_application_hybrid)>
> --
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> Michael Xu (xudong)
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>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually we would just have to change the name at the surface, from a
>> marketing POV if you prefer. No need to change underneath.
>> But sincerely I have not much time for that... Where is it used in
>> documentation which could induce new users in error?
>>
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rhoffman@aesolves.com>
>>
>>> Hi Jacques:
>>> IMO, it is a big deal. When someone is looking at OFBiz for an enterprise
>>> solution and the competition is Jetspeed, Liferay, Websphere etc., we should
>>> be clear  that when the OFBiz project says "Portal" it does not mean what
>>> everyone else "thinks it means". It is misleading.
>>>
>>> Just to be clear: I don't think OFBiz needs a JSR compliant portal server.
>>> In my experience, portal servers are bloated and overrated and have limited
>>> use.
>>>
>>> Maybe we could take a little survey - do some marketing - and come up with
>>> another label for these features/functions?
>>>
>>> Just a thought.
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: "David E Jones" <dejc@me.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Bring confusion in the future? That's like saying you shouldn't use the
>>>>> term object-relational mapping unless you're talking about JPA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like object-relational mapping is a general term with many
>>>>> variations and implementations, and supporting the JPA interfaces is
simply
>>>>> a feature of some of those implementations, portal and portlet are also
>>>>> general terms with many variations and implementations, and only some
of
>>>>> them support the JSR 168 specification.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we then say that portal/portlet software not written in Java
>>>>> should not use those terms?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, which terms should those unfortunate souls use to describe their
>>>>> creations?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz-portlets and OFBiz-portal ? Not a big deal anyway, just that some
>>>> people think they will be able to embed some external portlets in OFBiz and
>>>> are dissapointed.
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>  -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 31, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I agree with Ruth, this will (and has already) certainly bring some
>>>>>> confusion in future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rhoffman@aesolves.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi David:
>>>>>>> IMO the term "portlet" should only be applied to JSR 168/268
compliant
>>>>>>> code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MyPortal still needs a lot of work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It should really be just the shell of the portal and include
only a
>>>>>>>> very few portlets that are part of the framework.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Higher level components, including applications components,
can have
>>>>>>>> their own portlets that appear in MyPortal by having data
in seed/etc data
>>>>>>>> files, and that data will tell MyPortal about these portlets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OOTB the MyPortal stuff shouldn't know anything about any
portlets
>>>>>>>> (other than a few basic framework ones). At runtime MyPortal
will look for
>>>>>>>> information about other portlets, but that information should
come only from
>>>>>>>> the higher level components where the portlets themselves
live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  That's true, it would be still a dependence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, in this case the MyPortal is considered to be
dependent from
>>>>>>>>> all other components (because it "mounts" portlets defined
by all
>>>>>>>>> other components in the default portalPages).
>>>>>>>>> It should be possible to use the MyPortal component even
if one of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> other components is not used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think a different logic is needed here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Bruno
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2009/12/31 David E Jones <dejc@me.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  That still represents a dependency on the other component.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lower level components should not even have anything
that
>>>>>>>>>> represents an awareness of a higher level component.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The solution, and the only solution, is to move the
data to the
>>>>>>>>>> higher level components. It's that simple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> the MyPortal component has many seed data that
create a dependence
>>>>>>>>>>> from many other components.
>>>>>>>>>>> This is done because the seed data create the
default MyPortal
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPages that include several portlets from
all other
>>>>>>>>>>> components.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="SystemInfoNotes" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="SystemInfoStatus" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="1"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Calendar" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="2"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE0"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="INCOM_CUST_REQUESTS" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE0"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="MyCommunications" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="1"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="party" portletSeqId="00001"
columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="partyRelContacts" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="1"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="partyRelAccounts" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="2"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="contact" portletSeqId="00001"
columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="3"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="LoyaltyPoints" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="4"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="PaymentMethods" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="5"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="AvsSettings" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="6"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="UserLogin" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="1"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Attributes" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="2"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Visits" portletSeqId="00001"
columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="3"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Content" portletSeqId="00001"
columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="4"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="ShipperAccount" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00002" sequenceNum="5"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Notes" portletSeqId="00001"
columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="6"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="MYTASKSPARTY" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00002" sequenceNum="7"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE2"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="MyCommunications" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortletAttribute portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE2"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="MyCommunications" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> attrName="communicationPartyId" attrValue="Company"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE4"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="mytimesheet" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE5"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="mytasks" portletSeqId="00001"
columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How can we have a conditional seed data loading
that would load
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> seed data for the portlets really available in
the system?
>>>>>>>>>>> I mean, could we have something like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <if-component-loaded name="Workeffort">
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE4"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="mytimesheet" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE5"
>>>>>>>>>>> portalPortletId="mytasks" portletSeqId="00001"
columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>>>>> </if-component-loaded>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> or is there any other tecnique to do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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