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From Tim Ruppert <tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com>
Subject Re: Conditional seed data loading
Date Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:48:13 GMT
+1 - thanks for bringing sanity back to the discussion.  What shall all of these lost souls
in the PHP world with with their creations?  http://www.hotscripts.com/category/php/scripts-programs/portal-systems/

Cheers,
Ruppert
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On Dec 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, David E Jones wrote:

> 
> Bring confusion in the future? That's like saying you shouldn't use the term object-relational
mapping unless you're talking about JPA.
> 
> Just like object-relational mapping is a general term with many variations and implementations,
and supporting the JPA interfaces is simply a feature of some of those implementations, portal
and portlet are also general terms with many variations and implementations, and only some
of them support the JSR 168 specification.
> 
> Should we then say that portal/portlet software not written in Java should not use those
terms?
> 
> If so, which terms should those unfortunate souls use to describe their creations?
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> On Dec 31, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Ruth, this will (and has already) certainly bring some confusion in
future.
>> 
>> Jacques
>> 
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rhoffman@aesolves.com>
>>> Hi David:
>>> IMO the term "portlet" should only be applied to JSR 168/268 compliant code.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> 
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>> MyPortal still needs a lot of work.
>>>> 
>>>> It should really be just the shell of the portal and include only a very
few portlets that are part of the framework.
>>>> 
>>>> Higher level components, including applications components, can have their
own portlets that appear in MyPortal by having data in seed/etc data files, and that data
will tell MyPortal about these portlets.
>>>> 
>>>> OOTB the MyPortal stuff shouldn't know anything about any portlets (other
than a few basic framework ones). At runtime MyPortal will look for information about other
portlets, but that information should come only from the higher level components where the
portlets themselves live.
>>>> 
>>>> -David
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 31, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> That's true, it would be still a dependence.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, in this case the MyPortal is considered to be dependent from
>>>>> all other components (because it "mounts" portlets defined by all
>>>>> other components in the default portalPages).
>>>>> It should be possible to use the MyPortal component even if one of the
>>>>> other components is not used.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think a different logic is needed here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Bruno
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2009/12/31 David E Jones <dejc@me.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That still represents a dependency on the other component.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lower level components should not even have anything that represents
an awareness of a higher level component.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The solution, and the only solution, is to move the data to the higher
level components. It's that simple.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -David
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> the MyPortal component has many seed data that create a dependence
>>>>>>> from many other components.
>>>>>>> This is done because the seed data create the default MyPortal
>>>>>>> portalPages that include several portlets from all other components.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="SystemInfoNotes" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="SystemInfoStatus" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="1"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Calendar" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="2"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE0"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="INCOM_CUST_REQUESTS" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE0"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="MyCommunications" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="1"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="party" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="partyRelContacts" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="1"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="partyRelAccounts" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="2"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="contact" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="3"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="LoyaltyPoints" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="4"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="PaymentMethods" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="5"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="AvsSettings" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="6"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="UserLogin" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="1"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Attributes" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="2"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Visits" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="3"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Content" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="4"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="ShipperAccount" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00002" sequenceNum="5"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="Notes" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00002"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="6"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE1"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="MYTASKSPARTY" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00002" sequenceNum="7"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE2"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="MyCommunications" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> columnSeqId="00001" sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortletAttribute portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE2"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="MyCommunications" portletSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> attrName="communicationPartyId" attrValue="Company"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE4"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="mytimesheet" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE5"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="mytasks" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How can we have a conditional seed data loading that would load
only
>>>>>>> seed data for the portlets really available in the system?
>>>>>>> I mean, could we have something like this:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <if-component-loaded name="Workeffort">
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE4"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="mytimesheet" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>>  <PortalPagePortlet portalPageId="MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE5"
>>>>>>> portalPortletId="mytasks" portletSeqId="00001" columnSeqId="00001"
>>>>>>> sequenceNum="0"/>
>>>>>>> </if-component-loaded>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> or is there any other tecnique to do this?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


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