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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: Netbeans 11.0-vc4 with a Java EE project (Dataverse)
Date Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:21:41 GMT
If you don’t have an issue with networks or proxies, you should be ok after
waiting a moment on seeing that screen. Of course, if your solution with
the Plugin Manager is preferable and works, go with that approach.

Gj


On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 22:22, Philip Durbin <philipdurbin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the discussion and suggestions.
>
> I'm glad there's agreement that my use case makes perfect sense. That is,
> I want to onboard developers to Netbeans and our existing Java EE project
> without necessarily going through the "new project" workflow.
>
> I'm being told that I shouldn't go into "plugins" and enable Java EE
> support. This reminds me strongly of Ren telling Stimpy not to push the red
> button, the beautiful shiny button, the jolly candy-like button (
> https://vimeo.com/126720159 ). It's hard not to succumb to the maddening
> urge.
>
> Before I change our dev guide again to recommend the "new project" dialog
> instead of going through "plugins" I'd feel remiss if I didn't report that
> on both computers at home (Mac and Ubuntu) the "new project" dialog hung at
> the "finding feature" screen. I'll attach a screenshot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:15 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Well, by "anything" here, I mean, do not enable Java or Java EE support
>> there, since that's all neatly handled in the New Project dialog.
>>
>> The key things are that:
>>
>> -- You need to install the NetBeans fork of the Java compiler, nb-javac,
>> to use all the features of the Java editor in NetBeans, which you're
>> enabled to do when creating your first Java-related project. The reason why
>> this is needed is because the nb-javac support is licensed to Oracle and
>> hence you need to install it yourself.
>>
>> -- You need to install the Oracle JS Parser, i.e., Nashorn, to do
>> JavaScript development, which you're prompted to do when you're creating
>> your first HTML5/JavaScript application as well as your first Java EE
>> related applications, since these depend on the JavaScript related modules.
>> The reason why this is needed is because the Oracle JS Parser support is
>> licensed to Oracle and hence you need to install it yourself.
>>
>> -- You also need to enable features, i.e., nothing is enabled by default,
>> since few people need everything and something is only enabled when you
>> start using it, from the New Project dialog.
>>
>> So, when I say 'anything' here, I mean the enablement of the basic
>> features, which is integrated into the process of creating new applications.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:09 PM John Lavelle <john@jql.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>>> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com>>
>>> wrote:*
>>>
>>>> *And, please, in all these things, do not go to the Plugin Manager, do
>>>> not either activate or enable anything there.*
>>>>
>>>> *Thanks,*
>>>>
>>>> *Gj*
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 14:09, Geertjan Wielenga
>>> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opened your project without a problem after doing the above. It looks
>>>> pretty cool in NetBeans. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:58 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most likely the missing keymaps are also related to you simply not
>>>>> having the Java and Java EE supported enabled -- do that in the New Project
>>>>> dialog.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think we need to look at your use case, i.e., you're someone who
>>>>> isn't using the New Project dialog at all, and that makes perfect sense
in
>>>>> your case, however it does mean that you're not being given the opportunity
>>>>> (other than the obscure message about JavaFX) to enable the features
you
>>>>> need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And, please, in all these things, do not go to the Plugin Manager,
do
>>>>>> not either activate or enable anything there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:53 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, it sounds like you're simply opening NetBeans and then opening
>>>>>>> your project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of that, would be better if you'd first enable Java and
Java
>>>>>>> EE, in the New Project dialog, create a Java project and then
a Java EE
>>>>>>> project and everything will be enabled and you shouldn't encounter
this
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you first try the above -- with a fresh userdir, i.e., from
>>>>>>> scratch, with nothing enabled or otherwise -- and then respond
after that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:35 PM Philip Durbin <
>>>>>>> philipdurbin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, it's easy to reproduce both the javafx error and the
>>>>>>>> "dataverse (broken)" experience, unfortunately. I just reproduced
it on a
>>>>>>>> second and third computer here at home. That makes two Macs
and one Ubuntu
>>>>>>>> computer. Here are the steps:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Unzip incubating-netbeans-11.0-vc4-bin.zip and launch
Netbeans.
>>>>>>>> 2. git clone https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse.git (I'm on
ac6a1fd)
>>>>>>>> 3. Open dataverse as a project
>>>>>>>> 4. Observe that Netbeans says "dataverse (broken)"
>>>>>>>> 5. Right click "dataverse (broken)" and click "Resolve Problems..."
>>>>>>>> 6. Observe the error "Feature FeatureInfo[java] is incomplete:
some
>>>>>>>> module(s) are missing: org\.netbeans\.libs\.javafx\.(linux|win|macosx)"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm attaching screenshots from the second Mac and the Ubuntu
>>>>>>>> computer and I'm putting details about their versions of
Java below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am *not* saying I want to install the "Java Web and Java
EE"
>>>>>>>> support. Please re-read my original message. There is a difference
between
>>>>>>>> installation and activation. I'm saying that as an experienced
Netbeans
>>>>>>>> users, I'm aware that Netbeans has plugins and so I know
to start poking
>>>>>>>> around in this area. Some of our summer interns are late
high school or
>>>>>>>> early college students and have never touched Netbeans before.
It is for
>>>>>>>> this reason that in that pull request for our dev guide (now
merged) that I
>>>>>>>> explain to go into "Plugins" and to observe that "Java Web
and EE" is
>>>>>>>> already installed but must be activated. On my second Mac
no plugins are
>>>>>>>> activated. When I check the box next to "Java Web and EE"
the "Activate"
>>>>>>>> button becomes available. I haven't clicked "Activate" yet
but I'll include
>>>>>>>> a screenshot. I'm trying to say that seeing "dataverse (broken)"
for a Java
>>>>>>>> EE project is a poor user experience (I don't love the word
"broken" in
>>>>>>>> this context) and that it's non-obvious to new Netbeans users
that one must
>>>>>>>> activate plugins to make the project non-broken. I compensated
for this in
>>>>>>>> our dev guide, explaining how to make our project non-broken
from the
>>>>>>>> Netbeans perspective.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Emma, thanks for your note about Java 8 vs. 11. Below I'm
listing
>>>>>>>> the Java versions I'm running on the three computers I've
tried.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm glad to hear that docs are coming. Docs are extremely
important.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One more bit of feedback is that yesterday from my Mac at
work (Mac
>>>>>>>> 1, below), a number of Keymap shortcuts were missing. The
entire
>>>>>>>> "CommonTestRunner" category was absent, for example. Quitting
Netbeans and
>>>>>>>> restarting it fixed this. Very strange. I did not observe
this bug on
>>>>>>>> either computer at home. Very strange. I reported this yesterday
in
>>>>>>>> #netbeans on freenode, which I understand is piped into your
Slack. You can
>>>>>>>> read what I wrote at
>>>>>>>> http://echelog.com/logs/browse/netbeans/1553727600
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope the feedback I'm giving is appreciated. I've spent
a lot of
>>>>>>>> time on this. To be clear, I voted "ship it!" for Netbeans
11 because I can
>>>>>>>> work around these issue and guide contributors to our Java
EE project to
>>>>>>>> work around them as well. Again, I'm thrilled that I'm not
stuck on
>>>>>>>> Netbeans 8.2 anymore. THANK YOU!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mac 1 (work)
>>>>>>>> OS X 10.14.3
>>>>>>>> AdoptOpenJDK 1.8.0_192-b12
>>>>>>>> (I can't run `java -version` from home)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mac 2 (home)
>>>>>>>> OS X 10.14.3
>>>>>>>> openjdk version "11" 2018-09-25
>>>>>>>> OpenJDK Runtime Environment 18.9 (build 11+28)
>>>>>>>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 18.9 (build 11+28, mixed mode)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux 1 (home)
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
>>>>>>>> openjdk version "1.8.0_191"
>>>>>>>> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build
>>>>>>>> 1.8.0_191-8u191-b12-2ubuntu0.18.04.1-b12)
>>>>>>>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.191-b12, mixed mode)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:07 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you provide step by step instructions from scratch
so that we
>>>>>>>>> can reproduce seeing this error:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Feature FeatureInfo[java] is incomplete: some module(s)
are
>>>>>>>>> missing: org\.netbeans\.libs\.javafx\.(linux|win|macosx)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:00 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don’t understand why you want to install the
‘Java Web and Java
>>>>>>>>>> EE’ support in Apache NetBeans 11. Please don’t
do that. That support is
>>>>>>>>>> automatically built into Apache NetBeans 11 for the
first time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, no docs yet specific to this release. Once they’re
there
>>>>>>>>>> would indeed be great for you to provide feedback
on them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 21:50, Emma Atkinson <
>>>>>>>>>> emma.atkinson2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the error dialog saying
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Feature FeatureInfo[java] is incomplete: some
module(s) are
>>>>>>>>>>> missing: org\.netbeans\.libs\.javafx\.(linux|win|macosx)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> might be caused by running on JDK8.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I used the option  *--jdkhome <path>*
to specify jdk-11 (*please
>>>>>>>>>>> check the release notes for the right one*) the
error did not
>>>>>>>>>>> appear.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Emma
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 15:19, Philip Durbin <
>>>>>>>>>>> philipdurbin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! I just filled out the survey (late, please
give us more
>>>>>>>>>>>> notice next time) and I have a little feedback
that I'd like to share here
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a couple reasons:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - From my perspective, the survey goes into
a black hole. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is any transparency about what responses
have been recorded so far, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know where to find them. If they're
available, I'm interested in them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> - The survey didn't allow me to enter any
comments. It's all
>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple choice. I have more I would have
said in the survey. But maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's what mailing lists are for. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So here we go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been feeling "stuck" on Oracle NetBeans
8.2 for a long
>>>>>>>>>>>> time because of the lack of Java EE support
in Apache NetBeans. The guy at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the desk to me got our Java EE project (Dataverse)
working in NetBeans 9
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I didn't have such a good time with NetBeans
10.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thrilled to say that this morning I got
NetBeans 11 working
>>>>>>>>>>>> with our Java EE project. I'm no longer stuck
on 8.2. THANK YOU!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, not all is well. Being open source,
we try to onboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> as many new contributors as possible to our
project and if you follow our
>>>>>>>>>>>> dev guide as it appears now (4.11 for my
reference), your first experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> with NetBeans 11 and our project is that
it says "(broken)" next to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> project name in the Projects tab. (Screenshot
attached.) If you right-click
>>>>>>>>>>>> the project and click "Resolve Problems",
this is the error you see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Feature FeatureInfo[java] is incomplete:
some module(s) are
>>>>>>>>>>>> missing: org\.netbeans\.libs\.javafx\.(linux|win|macosx)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't use JavaFX in our project so it's
a very strange error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next I clicked "Help" and then "Online Docs
and Support". These
>>>>>>>>>>>> show docs for NetBeans 10 with no mention
that I could find of what Java EE
>>>>>>>>>>>> developers are suppose to do. If there are
new docs for NetBeans 11 that
>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like us to look at before you release,
please let us know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From previous attempts to get our project
running on anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> newer than NetBeans 8.2 I knew that I should
check out which plugins are
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed and enabled. I don't expect our
contributors to know this so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> just made a pull request to improve our dev
guide to explain how to go from
>>>>>>>>>>>> "broken" to a Java EE project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> After activating "Java Web and EE", there
is no green checkmark
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Active column. Some new menu items
appear but "clean and build"
>>>>>>>>>>>> still isn't available. I restarted NetBeans
and explain this step in my
>>>>>>>>>>>> pull request:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/pull/5695
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In case it helps, I'm on Mac OS X 10.14.3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In my pull request I didn't document how
to launch NetBeans but
>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe I should since a lot of our contributors
are new developers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes college students, who may not be
very familiar with the command
>>>>>>>>>>>> line. I doubt anyone here needs this (and
you probably have better ways)
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I'll include my little script below since
it's on my mind:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #!/bin/sh
>>>>>>>>>>>> VERSION='11.0-vc4'
>>>>>>>>>>>> BIN="$HOME/java/netbeans/$VERSION/netbeans/bin/netbeans"
>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "Launching Netbeans from $BIN"
>>>>>>>>>>>> $BIN &
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess the other thing I'll mention is that
my pull request
>>>>>>>>>>>> also includes the workaround to get the Netbeans
Connector Chrome Extension
>>>>>>>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, I've already given a little feedback
on the survey
>>>>>>>>>>>> itself, about how I was confused that you
don't let your participants type
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything (multiple choice only) but I'm new
to your process. The other
>>>>>>>>>>>> specific thing is that I would have appreciate
an "I don't know" option for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the question about performance of NetBeans
10 vs 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading all this! I hope it's
helpful! Again, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> really appreciate that Java EE support has
been restored and that I'm no
>>>>>>>>>>>> longer feeling held back on old versions
of Oracle NetBeans. Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Durbin
>>>>>>>>>>>> Software Developer for http://dataverse.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.iq.harvard.edu/people/philip-durbin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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