From users-return-1873-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@netbeans.apache.org Fri Oct 26 16:47:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B451180675 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:47:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24118 invoked by uid 500); 26 Oct 2018 14:47:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@netbeans.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list users@netbeans.apache.org Received: (qmail 24108 invoked by uid 99); 26 Oct 2018 14:47:10 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 14:47:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id E335BD1B89 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 14:47:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.399 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, KAM_NUMSUBJECT=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aT34iZbDIPXq for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 14:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb1-f180.google.com (mail-yb1-f180.google.com [209.85.219.180]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 9C7A85F476 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 14:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-f180.google.com with SMTP id i78-v6so574764ybg.0 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 07:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oPJMnIJFQhjULcIqxxZEIFAaaHUD0+GZwGw04nKhNF8=; b=TepvJWvvQvpactE5zJzH7MoToQg/1Ehozgr84K/9jujLGTz2yUtl43b3J+iKJTAdWm R6WJzM9Yn1DNRBLaUUQkifiMJVJY4V56yhp78n55er1GZj0OhuPFFv6U4v+SqtZF5a8F rrXcEoL08+mhFwj1U6Y4rPwCo1UYHH66RHO59AWIBN2rgsSORhiVaAAeAiBa9/LHJEyY v5Zd3locGSLTIjlEKMkZtoIYP3eeuCGx37j/W2fG9yL/pmL+CbpprjWLBy8kW5+6zZXL pfG2FXEM7lqsnZM/2/ygcCF70duAVnWNot/AvWemSxOMDn6z5JZR+l5oXH/DzhKpwV3o 8yUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJSPg/MXvU7ICx23Tkoe6C3d5OHxkYwl6UkJyec4GBGlJ17wZ83 YJKUM2q0sjo4NlnZJ3iHSuqtNyfwsku8Uewx+YREoNk7TdU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cDCaezwxvCv4gLGAahIJpdNo2h9s4d2YjRbcVOJKhDoBMxoqhfJklABAw3uDlkIoeHY3zDJ1qmb6RAW2E17EI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:9bc9:: with SMTP id w9-v6mr3807089ybo.455.1540565219034; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 07:46:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <72856045A9994AC794B724F0C852DDB1@SHIPMODELLERPC> <001701d46d39$e1981170$a4c83450$@datazug.ch> In-Reply-To: <001701d46d39$e1981170$a4c83450$@datazug.ch> From: Geertjan Wielenga Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 07:46:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: NetBeans, JavaFX and Java11 To: stadelma@datazug.ch, pszudzik@throwarock.com, users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a24c19057922caee" --000000000000a24c19057922caee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the case of JavaFX, JavaFX is not in JDK 11. Nothing that NetBeans can do about that. It would be great to have some of those on this mailing list watching these two YouTube screencasts that should help you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dl9aoicDiQ_A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRCdBmPfzeyM The sound in these two is not always great because the first was recorded in a hotel lobby and the second in a Chinese restaurant. Gj On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:41 AM Josef Stadelmann wrote: > I can only recommend you to go back and use the latest stable working > configuration and let other pioneers with time to get the Indian spear in= to > the back. I was once as well a full enthusiast and always jumped to new > things. But then it goes at it was going with the early pioneers. Spears > and arraws=E2=80=A6. And you have to do your job. That is while many bank= and > insurance company jump over major versions of i.e. an operating system, > i.e. left of XP. And went from windows 2000 to windows 7 not having all t= he > pain XP users had. And the like for IDE=E2=80=99s. > > > > Have a god one > > Josef > > > > *Von:* Paul Szudzik > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018 09:27 > *An:* Netbeans > *Betreff:* NetBeans, JavaFX and Java11 > > > > > > I=E2=80=99ve been a developer for more than 50 years, yes, I am an o= ld =E2=80=9CSalt=E2=80=9D > here past his prime possibly, but still actively coding. > > > > To me, the IDE is the gateway to this world, and I embraced NetBeans > IDE long, long time ago, starting with it=E2=80=99s Beta, to give me tool= s that I > need to get the job done. And NetBeans filled that breach over the > decades. But now, it seems that all I can run into is roadblocks that ar= e > preventing me from getting my jobs done. > > > > I updated my Linux machine with NetBeans 9, and made the unfortunate > mistake of selecting the JDK 11 because of some constraints in a module I > required to support. I was taken back to find that JavaFX integration ha= s > been taken out In fact, I felt humiliated yesterday trying to figure out > how to get JavaFX back into the system, and still use JDK 11 on Linux. > > > > I failed... The searches on line provided a bit here and a bit there, > but the bottom line was that I can no longer debug on NetBeans IDE, even = my > compiles aren=E2=80=99t working, and all I see is a lot of red on all my = module > sources... I tried adding the JavaFX SDK to my module paths, but still > stymied. > > > > So........ here is the question.. > > > > Why is this so darn hard for the developers.. This should be a Plugin > option, I click on in NetBeans to get my IDE working .. Developers shoul= d > be able to load the tool, and use it. Do you realize how much money, > dollars, euros, whatever, is being wasted trying to get this stuff to wor= k > on an update? I know the Open Source community feels the pain. I know th= e > communities job is hard because they do support all these other things.. > Maven, Gradle, PHP, Ruby ...the list goes on. We use the IDE because it > can do the job.. not be an impediment.. I=E2=80=99ll admit I am not as s= harp as I > was a decade or two ago, but I still have better things to work on than > trying to figure out how to get my IDE back alive. ( It is, as far as I a= m > concerned... dead in the water right now. ) > > > > Not sure what I am asking for, perhaps better Primary Language > integration, I saw tons of posts about JavaFX as being the possible GUI > someday, so this is along those lines. Sorry.. very frustrated. > > > > > --000000000000a24c19057922caee Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the case of JavaFX, JavaFX is not in J= DK 11. Nothing that NetBeans can do about that.

It would= be great to have some of those on this mailing list watching these two You= Tube screencasts that should help you:



The sound in these two is not always great be= cause the first was recorded in a hotel lobby and the second in a Chinese r= estaurant.

Gj

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:41 AM Josef Stadelma= nn <stadelma@datazug.ch> w= rote:
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I can only recommend you to go = back and use the latest stable working configuration and let other pioneers= with time to get the Indian spear into the back. I was once as well a full= enthusiast and always jumped to new things. But then it goes at it was goi= ng with the early pioneers. Spears and arraws=E2=80=A6. And you have to do = your job. That is while many bank and insurance company jump over major ver= sions of i.e. an operating system, i.e. left of XP. And went from windows 2= 000 to windows 7 not having all the pain XP users had. And the like for IDE= =E2=80=99s.

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Have a god one

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Von: Paul Szudzik &l= t;pszudzik@thr= owarock.com>
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018 09:27An: Netbeans <users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
Be= treff: NetBeans, JavaFX and Java11

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve been a develope= r for more than 50 years, yes, I am an old =E2=80=9CSalt=E2=80=9D here past= his prime possibly, but still actively coding.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 To me, the ID= E is the gateway to this world, and I embraced NetBeans IDE long, long time= ago, starting with it=E2=80=99s Beta, to give me tools that I need to get = the job done. And NetBeans filled that breach over the decades.=C2=A0 But n= ow, it seems that all I can run into is roadblocks that are preventing me f= rom getting my jobs done.=C2=A0

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I updated my Linux machine w= ith NetBeans 9, and made the unfortunate mistake of selecting the JDK 11 be= cause of some constraints in a module I required to support.=C2=A0 I was ta= ken back to find that JavaFX integration has been taken out=C2=A0 In fact, = I felt humiliated yesterday trying to figure out how to get JavaFX back int= o the system, and still use JDK 11 on Linux.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I failed... The = searches on line provided a bit here and a bit there, but the bottom line w= as that I can no longer debug on NetBeans IDE, even my compiles aren=E2=80= =99t working, and all I see is a lot of red on all my module sources...=C2= =A0 I tried adding the JavaFX SDK to my module paths, but still stymied.=

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why is t= his so darn hard for the developers.. This should be a Plugin option, I cli= ck on in NetBeans to get my IDE working ..=C2=A0 Developers should be able = to load the tool, and use it. Do you realize how much money, dollars, euros= , whatever, is being wasted trying to get this stuff to work on an update?= =C2=A0 I know the Open Source community feels the pain. I know the communit= ies job is hard because they do support all these other things.. Maven, Gra= dle, PHP, Ruby ...the list goes on.=C2=A0 We use the IDE because it can do = the job.. not be an impediment..=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll admit I am not as sharp= as I was a decade or two ago, but I still have better things to work on th= an trying to figure out how to get my IDE back alive. ( It is, as far as I = am concerned... dead in the water right now. )

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not sure what= I am asking for, perhaps better Primary Language integration, I saw tons o= f posts about JavaFX as being the possible GUI someday, so this is along th= ose lines.=C2=A0 Sorry.. very frustrated.

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