From users-return-1863-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@netbeans.apache.org Fri Oct 26 15:27:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id B3B4E180647 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 15:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18225 invoked by uid 500); 26 Oct 2018 13:26:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@netbeans.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list users@netbeans.apache.org Received: (qmail 18215 invoked by uid 99); 26 Oct 2018 13:26:59 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:26:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 2286C1A2319 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:26:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.399 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=2, KAM_NUMSUBJECT=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=throwarock.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9_1eB5LFCged for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bosmailout10.eigbox.net (bosmailout10.eigbox.net [66.96.190.10]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 489BD5F562 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bosmailscan07.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.7]) by bosmailout10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1gG28f-0001Yk-2t for users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:26:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=throwarock.com; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To: From:Message-ID:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zqLDgEzkTY1OayUmF0j5ATuGR/stMJ7dzWU5DGf1/VM=; b=eBTY7xn+Sg2EqaMyrzU2CcFQ4x z2OcPhwfR92ihLmJKj3HSjxf3vz1QqxC+Q2SfzTmRw7syRe5vofBut7Du4Vw4/cHMv49ZdkshlLbV QOj6i6x5SuehVIt1LWjTTYZ2ijr/PahYLlfzA5ostVgf9Fsa4CDuGF6eE1UxUZWlF2WXawsPGTzc6 r0MN2Wza90fsweC3sUqZrXd58MARi/T+83idq9gVwvvkA5XNVHS4aosL3QbM+Yu28OFE34zTSFM7D ZMhrlv1tkQ1xM2VI1sr0xWY7I0tZmpbdpHZNwtRbLwQ9ezxKGMuD+nUUpSl3N01p5N8ZXsQGcrAji rNW6eZig==; Received: from [10.115.3.32] (helo=bosimpout12) by bosmailscan07.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1gG28e-0003NH-W1 for users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:26:56 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.7]) by bosimpout12 with id sDSt1y00K099BUA01DSwKz; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:26:56 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=OY7oNlbY c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=x8qw8EAkfcRkIpZA8Q87Bg==:117 a=5+3ixTK8Zgz2h1o+bp/w+g==:17 a=smKx5t2vBNcA:10 a=EY6ZRCVrLhMA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=G1sVXea1fhB0OSqNyGsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4ZDUzSjb6W_9KL95geUA:9 a=kCGKE8ctsL3Uw0W9:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: from c-76-115-133-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net ([76.115.133.161]:51568 helo=SHIPMODELLERPC) by bosauthsmtp07.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1gG28b-0002qe-I8 for users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:26:53 -0400 Message-ID: <72856045A9994AC794B724F0C852DDB1@SHIPMODELLERPC> From: "Paul Szudzik" To: "Netbeans" Subject: NetBeans, JavaFX and Java11 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 06:26:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0527_01D46CF4.E19A1AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-EN-UserInfo: d9dfa036d85ecb23de948b649c1437af:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: pszudzik@throwarock.com Sender: "Paul Szudzik" X-EN-OrigIP: 76.115.133.161 X-EN-OrigHost: c-76-115-133-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net ------=_NextPart_000_0527_01D46CF4.E19A1AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve been a developer for more than 50 years, yes, I am an = old =E2=80=9CSalt=E2=80=9D here past his prime possibly, but still = actively coding. To me, the IDE is the gateway to this world, and I embraced NetBeans = IDE long, long time ago, starting with it=E2=80=99s Beta, to give me = tools that I need to get the job done. And NetBeans filled that breach = over the decades. But now, it seems that all I can run into is = roadblocks that are preventing me from getting my jobs done. =20 I updated my Linux machine with NetBeans 9, and made the unfortunate = mistake of selecting the JDK 11 because of some constraints in a module = I required to support. I was taken back to find that JavaFX integration = has been taken out In fact, I felt humiliated yesterday trying to = figure out how to get JavaFX back into the system, and still use JDK 11 = on Linux. I failed... The searches on line provided a bit here and a bit = there, but the bottom line was that I can no longer debug on NetBeans = IDE, even my compiles aren=E2=80=99t working, and all I see is a lot of = red on all my module sources... I tried adding the JavaFX SDK to my = module paths, but still stymied. So........ here is the question.. Why is this so darn hard for the developers.. This should be a = Plugin option, I click on in NetBeans to get my IDE working .. = Developers should be able to load the tool, and use it. Do you realize = how much money, dollars, euros, whatever, is being wasted trying to get = this stuff to work on an update? I know the Open Source community feels = the pain. I know the communities job is hard because they do support all = these other things.. Maven, Gradle, PHP, Ruby ...the list goes on. We = use the IDE because it can do the job.. not be an impediment.. = I=E2=80=99ll admit I am not as sharp as I was a decade or two ago, but I = still have better things to work on than trying to figure out how to get = my IDE back alive. ( It is, as far as I am concerned... dead in the = water right now. )=20 Not sure what I am asking for, perhaps better Primary Language = integration, I saw tons of posts about JavaFX as being the possible GUI = someday, so this is along those lines. Sorry.. very frustrated. ------=_NextPart_000_0527_01D46CF4.E19A1AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
     I=E2=80=99ve been a developer for more = than 50 years, yes,=20 I am an old =E2=80=9CSalt=E2=80=9D here past his prime possibly, but = still actively=20 coding.
 
    To me, the IDE is the gateway to this world, and = I=20 embraced NetBeans IDE long, long time ago, starting with it=E2=80=99s = Beta, to give me=20 tools that I need to get the job done. And NetBeans filled that breach = over the=20 decades.  But now, it seems that all I can run into is roadblocks = that are=20 preventing me from getting my jobs done. 
 
    I updated my Linux machine with NetBeans 9, and = made the=20 unfortunate mistake of selecting the JDK 11 because of some constraints = in a=20 module I required to support.  I was taken back to find that JavaFX = integration has been taken out  In fact, I felt humiliated = yesterday trying=20 to figure out how to get JavaFX back into the system, and still use JDK = 11 on=20 Linux.
 
    I failed... The searches on line provided a bit = here and=20 a bit there, but the bottom line was that I can no longer debug on = NetBeans IDE,=20 even my compiles aren=E2=80=99t working, and all I see is a lot of red = on all my module=20 sources...  I tried adding the JavaFX SDK to my module paths, but = still=20 stymied.
 
    So........  here is the question..
 
    Why is this so darn hard for the developers.. = This=20 should be a Plugin option, I click on in NetBeans to get my IDE working = .. =20 Developers should be able to load the tool, and use it. Do you realize = how much=20 money, dollars, euros, whatever, is being wasted trying to get this = stuff to=20 work on an update?  I know the Open Source community feels the = pain. I know=20 the communities job is hard because they do support all these other = things..=20 Maven, Gradle, PHP, Ruby ...the list goes on.  We use the IDE = because it=20 can do the job.. not be an impediment..  I=E2=80=99ll admit I am = not as sharp as I=20 was a decade or two ago, but I still have better things to work on than = trying=20 to figure out how to get my IDE back alive. ( It is, as far as I am = concerned...=20 dead in the water right now. )
 
    Not sure what I am asking for, perhaps better = Primary=20 Language integration, I saw tons of posts about JavaFX as being the = possible GUI=20 someday, so this is along those lines.  Sorry.. very = frustrated.
 
 
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