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From Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs
Date Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:05:58 GMT
Every option exponentially increases the states / configurations one needs
to handle and invites bugs.

So, often times a product will just not do something by design. See the
great success of iPhone as a testament to this.

But... we are developers! You can make a case for this feature. You can
write the patch yourself. You can submit it. And... even if it's not
accepted in the official build -- you can use your own custom NetBeans
build! It seems very sad to me that companies/developers/users find it so
unbelievable that you can actually customize your computing environment.
With a bit of time or money invested you can tweak your perfect cozy little
bits, just the way you like them.

IntelliJ is a commercial product. On the forums you are a potential sale.
This changes everything. Last I checked the open-source Community Edition
didn't even have a proper Javascript editor (it only had basic syntax
highlighting) -- the good Javascript editor was commercial only. Oh, how
would things look if a small fraction of NetBeans' users would invest the
equivalent of an IntelliJ license (89 - 149 euro/year) back into NetBeans
development.

--emi


On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 4:12 PM Tom Arilla <tmarill85@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am a longtime user of Netbeans and a submitted of many bugs. I see how
> practically none of them is ever resolved, so that I do not submit any bug
> report any more.
>
> I am wondering now (as probably many other users, given Netbeans'
> declining popularity) if to leave, given the (increasing?) number of
> problems with the IDE. Please help me and explain the history of one of the
> many bugs, and why it is like that. Possibly it is a representative of the
> current ecosystem around the development of the IDE.
>
> It is here https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192613 and it
> has 8 years. It is about adding a ridiculously easy option. And about an
> option which was there, I but one dev representative who commented
>
> This behaviour is intentional. I am sorry you hate it but there are users who love it.
There is no plan to change it.
>
> had probably no idea that an option to disable this "behaviour" was
> already there, several lines of code which were either removed or are no
> more functional. I would check it again, but I do not care any more. Few
> lines, which I would resubmit as a patch, but when I see a dev answer like
> that above, or how I was once ridiculed when I asked about this bug on the
> non-existing forum (something about the lines of not fixing it in order to
> show who rules here), I do not care any more. Someone reopened that bug two
> years ago, but probably no dev cares any more.
>
> IntelliJ is somewhat plagued with bugs, but when I browse discussion
> forums of IntelliJ, there is something encouraging in all that energy of
> *helping* the users, of *caring* about them. And we talk about adding few
> lines of a ridiculously easy code. Which does not even increase the
> complexity of the UI. Guess which will be my next IDE.
>
>
>
>

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