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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs
Date Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:21:22 GMT
It is somehow STILL unclear how an Apache project works. :-)

Here is how ANY Apache project actually prioritises issues, not just at the
moment, but always: you want an issue to be fixed? You fix it. Or you
convince someone else to fix it.

Please spend sometime at apache.org. NetBeans is an Apache project, nothing
more, nothing less.

Gj


On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, R. Diez <rdiezmail-netbeans@yahoo.de.invalid>
wrote:

>
>
> > [...]
>
> > but you've misunderstood me -
>
> > I'm definitely not trying to dismiss the issue.
> > [...]
>
>
> This is probably true. But it does come across that way.
>
>
>
> > I did suggest that the OP a) stop taking a
> > trolling attitude to the project
>
> I believe mentioning the "troll" word is a good example of the
> misunderstanding we are talking about.
>
> Trolling is a negative term that immediately brings up emotion on the
> receiving side. I would use it more sparingly, say, only for obvious trolls.
>
> I do not think the original poster was actually trying to troll. I am also
> concerned about the NetBeans project and have noticed a certain degree of
> carelessness in the past. After a radical organisational change such as the
> migration to Apache, it is a valid point to raise whether the past
> attitudes are likely to persist.
>
> The original poster might have expressed that in better terms. But then
> again, it could have been worse. He could have said "are the same idiots
> still there"? }8-)
>
>
> In fact, it has been a useful discussion. Watching this mailing list does
> give the impression that the project is not going well, especially on the
> communication side. It has reinforced my determination to try Eclipse out.
> Although I am also quite lazy...
>
>
>
> > b) stop claiming this issue is "essential" in comparison to many other
> > things in the old or new bug trackers without evidence.
>
> I cannot remember that he said this was an essential issue. I think he
> just picked it as an example of bad attitude in the past, not because of
> the bug itself.
>
>
>
> > [...]
> > I'm just saying that every project I've ever worked on or
> > with has a way to prioritise which problems get addressed.
> > [...]
> > You said this annoyed you but you didn't post about
> > it?  Why?  What might be done to improve that feedback mechanism?
>
> I am just a NetBeans user with no particularly high Java skills. I also do
> not have that much time available (except maybe for today!). I must confess
> that my patience threshold is also rather low. I only stepped in because I
> do not like the way the original poster was been treated.
>
>
> But anyway, now that the project is under Apache, I would find it
> interesting to know how the project actually prioritises issues at the
> moment. Is there a "board of prioritisers", and who sits there?
>
>
> The Ubuntu Launchpad platform has a "this bug affects me too" button. Bugs
> with many users get a flame icon. That gives you an indication whether many
> people are affected. I haven't looked yet under Apache, but, if there is
> such a counter, and it does get taken into consideration, it may be worth
> documenting on the web that affected users should subscribe to bugs in
> order to raise their priority. Although I would personally welcome a "this
> bugs me too, but do not bug me with many e-mail notifications" option. I
> already get too much e-mail.
>
>
> Regards,
>   rdiez
>
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