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From Geertjan Wielenga <>
Subject Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs
Date Thu, 18 Oct 2018 12:25:32 GMT
In Apache projects, we are all members of the team together, including you.

Indeed, we do need to manage the mailing list together, and that includes
you, especially when you write "I am also concerned about the NetBeans
project and have noticed a certain degree of carelessness in the past" --
to me, that means that you're going to be actively contributing to Apache
NetBeans, since otherwise your concern is just words, we need action, we
need you to consider joining the NetCAT program, for example, and help out
identifying and fixing bugs:

Consider that every time I respond to an e-mail is time I could be spending
on identifying and fixing bugs, the same for you, the same for anyone else.

Yes, we are prepared to properly manage the mailing list -- but are you
prepared to properly participate in the project?



On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 2:17 PM R. Diez <>

> > On behalf of everyone, I apologize, and we REALLY need you. :-)
> > [...]
> I just checked and your name appears in the official web site as a
> committer, so you are a member of the team. But not everyone is going to
> check. You should not expect your users to go and read the Apache
> documentation. If I did that with every open-source project I use, I would
> not have time to do anything else.
> The NetBeans team needs to properly manage this mailing list. You need to
> clearly counter annoying comments. You need to isolate and if necessary
> remove onerous people. You need to clearly indicate who is an official team
> member and who is not, either with a project e-mail address, or with a
> proper e-mail signature.
> Otherwise, aggravating behaviour will quickly taint your reputation.
> If you are not prepared to do this, it could be better to close the
> mailing list until you can, or maybe move it somewhere where it is clearly
> labelled as "unofficial" or "users help other users". In my opinion, it is
> better to admit that the current team members are not looking much at the
> mailing list, or do not care too much about it, rather than giving a false
> impression about how the team communicates.
> Regards,
>   rdiez
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