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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: Some of my thought regarding NetCAT 10
Date Fri, 02 Nov 2018 15:26:23 GMT
Well, you can specify that in your response.

Gj

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:09 PM Sasha Alexander Romanenko <tmthv2@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Along the same lines, yes, first question, "What do you think about
> netbeans java editing features"... no idea as I do not use it for java.
>
> пт, 2 нояб. 2018 г. в 10:45, Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net>:
>
> > But the Survey is only multiple choice, I can remember a Survey back in
> > the days of NetBeans 7 and I think 8 too, where we have some textfields
> > where users can add most their most wanted Features and at the end of the
> > Survey, after collecting the data, there was a overview of that.
> >
> > I did the Survey but did I miss such fields or Questions?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Von: Geertjan Wielenga
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 2. November 2018 13:39
> > An: netcat
> > Betreff: Re: Some of my thought regarding NetCAT 10
> >
> > Makes perfect sense, use the survey to indicate which issues you're most
> > concerned about.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:53 PM Jiří Kovalský <jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would suggest to identify then with BLOCKER severity.
> > >
> > > -Jirka
> > >
> > > Dne 2.11.2018 v 12:46 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
> > > > Sure, fair enough, the problem though is how to identify them in the
> > > issue
> > > > tracker.
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:33 PM Sasha Alexander Romanenko <
> > > tmthv2@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> That defeats purpose of issue tracker. This information needs to be
> > > readily
> > > >> available on report or query, not dispersed emails.
> > > >>
> > > >> пт, 2 нояб. 2018 г., 7:30 Geertjan Wielenga
> > > >> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Maybe one way to approach this would be to ask everyone in NetCAT
> to
> > > >> list 3
> > > >>> of the issues they filed that they'd prioritize for fixing over
all
> > > >> others,
> > > >>> regardless of whether they're blockers, i.e., simply 'my world
> would
> > > be a
> > > >>> good deal better if the following 3 were to be fixed', just add
> them
> > > as a
> > > >>> response in this thread.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gj
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:28 PM Alexander Romanenko <
> > > >>> alex@alex-tech-adventures.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I was setting "affected version" to 10 for my issues - it
looked
> > like
> > > >>> that
> > > >>>> was the label for this iteration of testing, so could maybe
search
> > by
> > > >>> that
> > > >>>> too.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> пт, 2 нояб. 2018 г. в 7:18, Geertjan Wielenga
> > > >>>> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid>:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Well, I'd like to see all the issues that have been filed
during
> > the
> > > >>>> NetCAT
> > > >>>>> program.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I'd also somehow like to see which ones really need to
be fixed,
> > > >> which
> > > >>>> ones
> > > >>>>> can no longer be reproduced in 10-vc2 (maybe everyone
in NetCAT
> can
> > > >>> check
> > > >>>>> whether all their issues can still be reproduced in NetCAT
and
> then
> > > >>> add a
> > > >>>>> 'NetCAT 10' label so we can collect then all), which ones
need to
> > be
> > > >>>>> prioritized, etc.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Gj
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:28 AM Jiří Kovalský <
> > > >> jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Why do we need such filter?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -Jirka
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Dne 2.11.2018 v 04:20 Leo Donahue napsal(a):
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>    Good question, I was wondering if we should
have been using
> > > >> JIRA
> > > >>>>> labels
> > > >>>>>>> for NetCAT 9 and 10 issues.  That would allow
you to filter.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 5:10 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > >>>>>>> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid>
wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Is there a way to get a list of all the issues
filed through
> the
> > > >>>>> NetCAT
> > > >>>>>>>> program?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Gj
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:36 AM <michal@owsiak.org>
wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hello Jiri, hello Alexander,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> here are my thoughts.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 1. Tickets in strange state
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> The luxury of dedicated people paid
by Sun/Oracle to pay
> > > >>> attention
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>>> bugs, develop features, respond to
e-mails and the like are
> > > >>> gone.
> > > >>>>> With
> > > >>>>>>>>>> the same argument statement "...the
dev team cannot address
> > > >> each
> > > >>>>>>>>>> issue..." makes no sense because there
is no dev team. The
> dev
> > > >>>> team
> > > >>>>> is
> > > >>>>>>>>>> you.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I am afraid I support Alexander here.
I bet there are people
> > > >> who
> > > >>>> have
> > > >>>>>> no
> > > >>>>>>>>> idea how to code using Java, yet still
use NetBeans (e.g.
> PHP,
> > > >>>> HTML,
> > > >>>>>>>> C/C++).
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Complaining about issues being ignored
equals showing own
> > > >>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding how open source software
development works.
> > > >>> Good
> > > >>>>> news
> > > >>>>>>>>>> is that you can filter the issues
reported in October,
> trying
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>>>>>>> reproduce them one by one, adding
your investigations and
> > > >>> setting
> > > >>>>>> their
> > > >>>>>>>>>> status and/or priorities correctly.
When do you plan to do
> > > >> that?
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I also got impression (from what I have
read on pages
> dedicated
> > > >>> to
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>> process) that we should focus on testing
only.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> But, at the same time, I agree with you,
Jiri. If there are
> no
> > > >>>>>> dedicated
> > > >>>>>>>>> developers anymore (I mean, people who
are actually paid for
> > > >>>>> developing
> > > >>>>>>>>> NetBeans), then, solving issues lays on
volunteers and I
> won't
> > > >>>> raise
> > > >>>>>> this
> > > >>>>>>>>> kind of objections (not tackling the issues
in Jira). Simply,
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>>> landscape
> > > >>>>>>>>> of NetBeans has changed and I need to
adapt to it.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 2. Tribe leaders are useless
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I am afraid I disagree. True tribe
leaders are precious
> asset
> > > >>> for
> > > >>>>>>>>>> NetCAT. They simply act as managers,
communicating with
> their
> > > >>>> tribe
> > > >>>>>>>>>> members, finding their strengths/weaknesses,
then
> distributing
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>> work
> > > >>>>>>>>>> load, periodically checking the status/progress,
reminding
> > > >> about
> > > >>>>>>>>>> incomplete tasks, triaging issues,
escalating the most
> serious
> > > >>>> ones
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>>> the NetCAT program coordinators, organizing
meetups, etc. If
> > > >>> these
> > > >>>>> do
> > > >>>>>>>>>> not exist, everything falls on plates
of NetCAT program
> > > >>>> coordinators
> > > >>>>>>>>>> which are obviously overloaded which
leaves NetCAT
> > > >> participants
> > > >>>> with
> > > >>>>>>>>>> impression of chaos, ignorance or
frustration.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> OK, maybe it's still happening, maybe
all these activities
> are
> > > >>>> still
> > > >>>>>>>>> taking place, but, to be honest, I haven't
seen that this
> time
> > > >>> that
> > > >>>>>> much.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I remember older editions of NetCAT, with
weekly reports
> > > >>>> summarizing
> > > >>>>>>>>> activities, providing information to whole
team, so it knew
> > > >> where
> > > >>>> it
> > > >>>>>> was
> > > >>>>>>>>> standing at any, given, time. So, this
time, I thought that
> > > >>> NetCAT
> > > >>>>> was
> > > >>>>>>>>> targeted more towards solo players who
want to decide for
> > > >>>> themselves
> > > >>>>>> how
> > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> update docs, what to choose for testing,
etc. Which, in fact,
> > > >>> suits
> > > >>>>> me
> > > >>>>>>>>> better :)
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Michal
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>
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