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[49.199.88.19]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i17-v6sm8727391pfj.95.2018.06.27.07.44.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Jun 2018 07:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Brett Ryan Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 00:44:10 +1000 Message-Id: <0F9B5B6E-DC82-4D6D-995D-3ACC127ED246@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list References: <7949a0a8-02c3-9d2a-4e43-604f9c535b84@vieiro.net> <0eedac6e-f042-c012-f699-03ec07e12d92@vieiro.net> <600695038.110689544.1530084880549.JavaMail.zimbra@bizeta.net> In-Reply-To: To: Geertjan Wielenga Cc: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org, netcat@netbeans.incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15F79) I wasn=E2=80=99t going to say anything but my sentiment is the same. We=E2=80= =99ve functioned very well this way for a long time, and nothing is broken. T= here is a lot of work to be done with the transition, lets focus on what is i= mportant. I have been fairly quiet lately due to a new role in BigData and time constr= aints. I will likely be helping out a lot more in the future and am presentl= y getting wider adoption in our CTO. My plan is for a lot of my devs and tes= t teams to come join NetCAT, most of my QA team do not have an engineering b= ackground and for them they wouldn=E2=80=99t want to see dev related topics.= You=E2=80=99re all doing great work here. > On 27 Jun 2018, at 22:03, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >=20 > Whatever keeps Luca and all other NetCAT people inspired and on board is > what we should do. >=20 > I frankly don=E2=80=99t understand what the problem is that we=E2=80=99re t= rying to fix > here. If we=E2=80=99re saying that we=E2=80=99re not able to communicate w= ith the whole > community because we have NetCAT separated from dev, then we should use th= e > same argument consistently and merge the users mailing list into dev as > well and I=E2=80=99m sure no one is suggesting that. :-) >=20 > Apache NetBeans has a community of users, developers, and testers. That's a= > value add, if anything. >=20 > Gj >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wednesday, June 27, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:34 AM Luca Mambretti >> wrote: >>> ...During the previous programs there were weekly reports on activities,= >> measurement on traffic >>> on the mailing list and various surveys to check the status of the >> release train in the allotted >>> time-frame; ... >>=20 >> I know little about how NetCAT works but from an Apache perspective of >> asynchronous collaboration, jira tickets might be a good way to >> coordinate the NetCAT reviews: create a ticket for each main part of >> the review (per-tribe?), people can create sub-tickets for more fine >> grained coordination and it's easy to get an overview on activity and >> status via jira queries. And NetCAT jira tickets can be linked to >> development tickets which can help make both teams feel more united. >>=20 >> Apache projects rarely have set deadlines for releases, as those can >> go against quality and people usually work on their own schedule as >> opposed to being paid to do things on time. Such loose but efficient >> coordination mechanisms work very well for that and quality as opposed >> to artificial deadlines then drive the releases. >>=20 >> This is just my 2 cents, as mentioned I know little about NetCAT, but >> I do know a bit about how things work in loosely coupled Apache >> projects, and I feel that Apache NetBeans is getting more loosely >> coupled - which does have advantages but might require some >> adjustments. >>=20 >> -Bertrand (NetBeans incubation mentor) >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-help@netbeans.apache.org >>=20 >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>=20 >>=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-help@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists