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From: =?UTF-8?Q?Walter_Mour=C3=A3o?= <walter.mourao@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:39:50 -0300
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Subject: Re: [Trinidad] "Best" Javascript package to use in a new render kit
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Just a follow-up on my findings so far... I liked very much the template
based approach of DojoFaces <http://www.dojofaces.org/> and it looks to me
I can continue using the things I like in Trinidad (Dialogs, etc.) in
conjunction with DojoFaces components without problems.

Best regards,

Walter Mour=C3=A3o
http://waltermourao.com.br
http://arcadian.com.br
http://oriens.com.br


On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Scott O'Bryan <darkarena@gmail.com> wrote:

> Totally Werner.  I suspect we'll add cases as needed in order to
> accommodate the entire tech stack for MyFaces.
>
> Okay, let me see if I can get an initial drop of code put somewhere
> and we can go from there.
>
> Scott
>
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 3:20 AM, Werner Punz <werner.punz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Scott, MyFaces in its core _Runtime.js also uses some inheritance
> framework, you basically currently get single inheritance, namespacing
> > singletons and delegation.
> > What I have not provided yet due to the lack of need is mixins.
> >
> > Also I have code to lazy load scripts etc...
> >
> > I coded it because I felt it made sense to stay on the oo side of thing=
s
> even if it was just for jsf.js which has a limited scope and
> > so others who do not want to rely on a big framework like yui can get
> > basic OO into their own code without having to roll their own solution
> > (mostly Tomahawk was my main concern here which has a load of scripts
> which would benefit tremendously from being ooed)
> >
> > But I would not recommend our core as sole base for an entirely newly
> written renderer part of a component framework, because it is limited in
> its scope, of providing the core language mechanism and some dom routines
> to get a good maintainable structuring into jsf.js and make browser
> optimizations somewhat easier.
> >
> > Just wanted to add that as info.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 12.03.11 23:11, schrieb Scott O'Bryan:
> >> Yes, ADF Faces.  The two share a similar API but ADFFces is much more
> rich.
> >>  It has animations, push technologies, and some other things.  The
> >> client-side JavaScript has been  re-engineered as well and while it us=
es
> >> Trinidad as the foundation, there is a lot more on the client side.
> >>
> >> Suffice to say that ADFFaces javascipt uses an inheritance framework
> that is
> >> a little more robust then standard JS inheritance patterns.  We would
> have
> >> to rip that out and allow he MyFaces projects to replace it with their
> own
> >> grammars.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> On Mar 12, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Walter Mour=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDo<walter.mo=
urao@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Scott,
> >>
> >> I know Oracle, for instance, has a very large renderkit extension
> >>> which is based on Trinidad Internals.  Now it's mostly geared toward
> >>> support of web business applications, but it really shows what can be
> >>> done with the framework.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Do you mean ADF Rich Faces ?
> >>
> >> Why do you say "it's mostly geared toward support of web business
> >> applications" ? what are the differences with the application that are
> done
> >> currently with Trinidad ? Do you know if the ADF Rich Faces client cod=
e
> uses
> >> some external (non-Oracle) javascript package ?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Walter Mour=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDo
> >> http://waltermourao.com.br
> >> http://arcadian.com.br
> >> http://oriens.com.br
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Scott O'Bryan<darkarena@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Walter,
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, while creating a new renderkit isn't trivial, the Trinidad
> >>> internals and API really lend themselves to allowing extensions to th=
e
> >>> framework.
> >>>
> >>> I know Oracle, for instance, has a very large renderkit extension
> >>> which is based on Trinidad Internals.  Now it's mostly geared toward
> >>> support of web business applications, but it really shows what can be
> >>> done with the framework.
> >>>
> >>> I really would like to see a project like this get some traction
> >>> personally.  ;)
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 6, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Walter Mour=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDo<walter.mou=
rao@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thank you Dominik.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just to be clear: the aim is not simply compete...
> >>>> I think Trinidad has:
> >>>> - rock solid back-end;
> >>>> - support to non-javascript browser (I have applications running in
> old
> >>> data
> >>>> collectors - windows mobile)
> >>>> ...
> >>>> and I would like to keep most of the java code untouched when
> migrating
> >>> my
> >>>> applications to an "up to date UI".
> >>>>
> >>>> I am personally highly involved in another open source project and I
> >>> don't
> >>>> have much experience with JSF/Trinidad internals. I am not sure I ca=
n
> >>> help
> >>>> much in such a task (create the new render kit), but I'm
> experimenting to
> >>>> see if I should go ahead with Trinidad or just migrate to another
> >>> library.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Walter Mour=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDo
> >>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
> >>>> http://arcadian.com.br
> >>>> http://oriens.com.br
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2011/3/6 Dominik Dorn<dominik@dominikdorn.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you're really want to compete with PrettyFaces, IceFaces,
> RichFaces
> >>>>> etc.,
> >>>>> I suggest to take a look at
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://demo.sproutcore.com/sample_controls/
> >>>>> http://www.sproutcore.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and rebuilt those for JSF.
> >>>>> Sproutcore is currently quite hyped in twitter and gains a lot of
> >>>>> interest, especially
> >>>>> in the rails community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2011/3/6 Walter Mour=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDo<walter.mourao@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>>> following the thread "Concerns about the future of Trinidad" I wou=
ld
> >>> like
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> know the opinions about the "best' Javascript package to use as a
> base
> >>> to
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> new Trinidad render kit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> JQuery<http://jquery.org/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dojo Toolkit<http://dojotoolkit.org/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (another options ?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What do you think ? what about the licensing ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Walter Mour=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDo
> >>>>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
> >>>>>> http://arcadian.com.br
> >>>>>> http://oriens.com.br
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Dominik Dorn
> >>>>> http://dominikdorn.com
> >>>>> http://twitter.com/domdorn
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://wu.studyguru.eu !
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

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