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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:23:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: myfaces popularity
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+1, with CDI you would be able to simply @Inject all your needed parameters=
. In general I'd say that one should generally use CDI instead of the JSF @=
ManagedBean mechanism.

LieGrue,
strub

--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Jakob Korherr <jakob.korherr@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jakob Korherr <jakob.korherr@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: myfaces popularity
> To: "MyFaces Discussion" <users@myfaces.apache.org>
> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 3:45 PM
> ... or, you know, use CDI for your
> managed beans ;)
>=20
> Regards,
> Jakob
>=20
> 2010/12/4 Jakob Korherr <jakob.korherr@gmail.com>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry, I just skimmed your mail, but for your last
> point
> >
> >>Finally, what's the correct way to implement an
> editor action? The managed
> >>bean needs to be initialized before rendering it.
> So instead of invoking the
> >>no-arg constructor, I want something like:
> >>Foo(id)
> >>to be invoked.
> >
> > you can use a no-arg constructor and an init method
> annotated with
> > @PostConstruct. So something like this:
> >
> > @PostConstruct
> > private void init() { // init bean here }
> >
> > However, you can't pass arguments neither to the
> constructor nor to
> > this init method. You need to 1) get everything you
> need from the
> > context or 2) set them from outside via setter
> methods.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jakob
> >
> > 2010/12/3 ken keller <klrfin@gmail.com>:
> >> My last startup is www.collectrium.com. We use
> AWS/py/django. This was my
> >> first non-Java app & I missed strong typing.
> django's template language is
> >> verbose & there's not much of a widget
> library. So I'm back to Java. AWS
> >> avoids setting up a data center (as co-founder of
> IGN.com, I don't miss
> >> managing 1,000 servers) but one still must manage
> the OS & scaling. So I'm
> >> trying appengine.
> >>
> >> jsf's attractions are validation, data binding,
> component model, component
> >> libraries. Too bad it doesn't include safe HTML
> (ala
> >> http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/doc/latest/ReleaseNotes.html#SafeHtm=
l)
> but
> >> it should be easy to wrap text components. Too bad
> the component library
> >> suppliers won't rally around a standard
> look-&-feel so one could mix
> >> components.
> >>
> >> I like gwt but it doesn't have validation &
> SEO is too hard. I might use gwt
> >> for editing functionality & a lightweight
> template language (which doesn't
> >> require a servlet container or mock for unit
> testing) like freemarker for
> >> browsing functionality.
> >>
> >> My current startup is a productivity tool in the
> cloud. I hope it will be
> >> used by many people of course.
> >>
> >> I'm using IntelliJ & appengine 1.3.8. From my
> web.xml:
> >>
> >> =A0<context-param>
> >> =A0
> =A0<param-name>com.sun.faces.expressionFactory</param-name>
> >> =A0
> =A0<param-value>com.sun.el.ExpressionFactoryImpl</param-value>
> >> =A0</context-param>
> >>
> >> From my pom.xml:
> >>
> >> =A0<dependency>
> >> =A0 <groupId>javax.el</groupId>
> >> =A0 <artifactId>el-api</artifactId>
> >> =A0 <version>2.2</version>
> >> =A0 </dependency>
> >> =A0 <dependency>
> >> =A0
> <groupId>org.glassfish.web</groupId>
> >> =A0 <artifactId>el-impl</artifactId>
> >> =A0 <version>2.2</version>
> >> =A0 </dependency>
> >>
> >> When I run the app, the log shows:
> >>
> >> INFO: Either you haven't specified the
> ExpressionFactory implementation, or
> >> an error occured while instantiating the
> implementation you've specified.
> >> However, attempting to load a known
> implementation.
> >>
> >> The app works but I wonder why.
> >>
> >> I'm having trouble w/ primefaces too.
> >>
> >> Finally, what's the correct way to implement an
> editor action? The managed
> >> bean needs to be initialized before rendering it.
> So instead of invoking the
> >> no-arg constructor, I want something like:
> >> Foo(id)
> >> to be invoked.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Kito Mann <kito.mann@virtua.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Ken,
> >>>
> >>> There's definitely a lot of activity in the
> JSF world, and it's used by a
> >>> lot of large and smaller companies (see http://www.javaserverfaces.or=
g/for
> >>> a list of sites built using JSF or Seam under
> "JSF in Production"). There
> >>> are a variety of industries, but it's quite
> popular in Finance (banks and
> >>> insurance companies).
> >>>
> >>> In terms of active development, you can just
> look at the recent releases to
> >>> see there's a lot going on.
> >>>
> >>> It's worthwhile also to point out that
> Trinidad is used as the foundation
> >>> for all of the Oracle Fusion applications.
> >>>
> >>> What sort of application is your startup
> intending to build with MyFaces?
> >>> ---
> >>> Kito D. Mann | twitter: kito99 | Author, JSF
> in Action
> >>> Virtua, Inc. | http://www.virtua.com | JSF/Java EE
> training and consulting
> >>> http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer
> Faces FAQ, news, and info |
> >>> twitter:
> >>> jsfcentral
> >>> +1 203-404-4848 x3
> >>>
> >>> Public JSF 2 Training this January in London:
> JSF 2 Update for JSF 1.x
> >>> users
> >>> (http://bit.ly/jsf2updatecourse<
> >>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/jsf2-update-course>)
> >>> and JSF 2 in Action
> >>> (http://bit.ly/jsf2course<
> >>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/jsf-and-ajax>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, ken keller
> <klrfin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > 1Mpvs/day on which URL?
> >>> >
> >>> > mojarra looks inactive:
> >>> > http://java.net/projects/mojarra/lists
> >>> > The richfaces team seems to prefer
> mojarra to myfaces. Given the effort
> >>> > being devoted to richfaces &
> primefaces atop jsf2, one would think there
> >>> > would be much more activity on the
> lists.
> >>> >
> >>> > I've posted twice over the last few
> months about
> >>> >
> javax.faces.application.ViewExpiredException
> >>> > thrown on appengine but nobody replied.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.irian.at/myfaces_support
> >>> > costs $5,300/yr for basic
> support--$10,600 for advanced. My startup can't
> >>> > afford this--especially without trying it
> first--perhaps a paygo option.
> >>> >
> >>> > I haven't studied the source code to see
> if there's unit testing.
> >>> >
> >>> > As compelling as jsf2 is, I'm scared to
> bet my startup on it.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Mark
> Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Hi!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > With the pretty fast development on
> the spec side (last year 2.0, last
> >>> > week
> >>> > > 2.1 - thanks Ed!) there is a very
> steady development going on atm. Also
> >>> > > remember that EE6 is pretty fresh.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > So while there is currently not that
> much traffic on the users@mf list
> >>> > > there is pretty much of it on the
> dev list atm.
> >>> > > The move from JSF-1.x to JSF-2.x is
> still to be done for most of the
> >>> > legacy
> >>> > > projects, but there are a few JFS-2
> projects already in production with
> >>> > lot
> >>> > > of success (we currently serve ~ 1
> mio page hits per day with
> >>> MyFaces-2,
> >>> > > OpenWebBeans, CODI, OpenJPA2 and our
> servers are pretty 'cold')
> >>> > >
> >>> > > LieGrue,
> >>> > > strub
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Matthias
> Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > From: Matthias Wessendorf
> <matzew@apache.org>
> >>> > > > Subject: Re: myfaces
> popularity
> >>> > > > To: "MyFaces Discussion" <users@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>> > > > Date: Friday, December 3, 2010,
> 7:44 AM
> >>> > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:28 AM,
> ken
> >>> > > > keller <klrfin@gmail.com>
> >>> > > > wrote:
> >>> > > > > This mailing list isn't
> very active. Most of the
> >>> > > > messages seem to be about
> >>> > > > > component libs like
> Trinidad.
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > Is myfaces popular?
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > yes it is.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > Wouldn't a searchable
> group be more convenient than a
> >>> > > > mailing list?
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > the archives *are* searchable
> (e.g. markmail).
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > --
> >>> > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> > > > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> > > > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jakob Korherr
> >
> > blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> > work: http://www.irian.at
> >
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Jakob Korherr
>=20
> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> work: http://www.irian.at
> =0A=0A=0A