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From ken keller <klr...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: myfaces popularity
Date Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:42:13 GMT
Which of the 3 styles is best? Am I missing one?

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:

> Yes, I feared that :(
>
> They have a relative defensive update policy.
>
> On one side this is good for existing apps which doesn't have much
> compatibility problems. But they e.g. still ship a very old jetty container
> which contains lots of known bugs.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Nikolay Rychkov <nikolay.rychkov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Nikolay Rychkov <nikolay.rychkov@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: myfaces popularity
> > To: "MyFaces Discussion" <users@myfaces.apache.org>
> > Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:02 AM
> > GAE does not support it.
> >
> http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=3431&q=el&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Stars%20Owner%20Summary%20Log%20Component%20Language
> >
> > 2010/12/5 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> >
> > > > thingy.edit('X')
> > >
> > > So what you need is UEL-2.2. No idea if gae supports
> > this. Maybe there is
> > > an option to get it (comes with Servlet-3.0). In this
> > case you would not
> > > need to do anything - but if gae doesn't support it,
> > then you would most
> > > likely be doomed :/
> > >
> > > Maybe try asking Ali Ok, he did a few things on GAE in
> > the past.
> > >
> > > LieGrue,
> > > strub
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 12/5/10, ken keller <klrfin@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: ken keller <klrfin@gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: myfaces popularity
> > > > To: "MyFaces Discussion" <users@myfaces.apache.org>
> > > > Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 8:14 PM
> > > > I don't see how CDI helps. I tried 3
> > > > ways:
> > > >
> > > > X denotes the value of the ID.
> > > >
> > > > 1) Pass id as view param using h:link:
> > > > <h:link value="edit" outcome="edit_thing">
> > > >   <f:param name="id"
> > value="X"/>
> > > > </h:link>
> > > > and bind to pseudo-property named idToLoad in
> > > > edit_thing.xhtml:
> > > > <f:metadata>
> > > >   <f:viewParam name="id"
> > > > value="#{thingy.idToLoad}"/>
> > > > </f:metadata>
> > > >
> > > > 2) Pass id as view param using h:commandLink:
> > > > <h:commandLink value="edit"
> > action="#{thingy.edit}">
> > > >   <f:param name="id"
> > value="X"/>
> > > > </h:commandLink>
> > > > Action method named edit() gets id from
> > FacesContext:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> FacesContext.getCurrentInstance().getExternalContext().getRequestParameterMap().get("id");
> > > > If that isn't inconvenient, what is? :)
> > > >
> > > > 3) Pass id as EL param using h:commandLink:
> > > > <h:commandLink value="edit"
> > > > action="#{thingy.edit('X')}">
> > > > </h:commandLink>
> > > > myfaces complains:
> > > > java.lang.NoSuchMethodError:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> javax.el.ELResolver.invoke(Ljavax/el/ELContext;Ljava/lang/Object;Ljava/lang/Object;[Ljava/lang/Class;[Ljava/lang/Object;)Ljava/lang/Object;
> > > > My action method is:
> > > > public String edit(String id) { ... }
> > > > My web.xml has:
> > > > <context-param>
> > > >
> > > >
> > <param-name>com.sun.faces.expressionFactory</param-name>
> > > >
> > > >
> > <param-value>com.sun.el.ExpressionFactoryImpl</param-value>
> > > > </context-param>
> > > > <context-param>
> > > >
> > > >
> > <param-name>org.apache.myfaces.EXPRESSION_FACTORY</param-name>
> > > >
> > > >
> > <param-value>com.sun.el.ExpressionFactoryImpl</param-value>
> > > > </context-param>
> > > > My pom.xml has:
> > > > <dependency>
> > > >
> > <groupId>javax.el</groupId>
> > > >
> > <artifactId>el-api</artifactId>
> > > >    <version>2.2</version>
> > > >    </dependency>
> > > >    <dependency>
> > > >
> > <groupId>org.glassfish.web</groupId>
> > > >
> > <artifactId>el-impl</artifactId>
> > > >    <version>2.2</version>
> > > >    </dependency>
> > > > I don't know why this fails.
> > > >
> > > > What's the best style?
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Gerhard <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > short addition:
> > > > >
> > > > > with myfaces codi also beans annotated with
> > > > @ManagedBean are normal cdi
> > > > > beans (automatically).
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > gerhard
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.irian.at
> > > > >
> > > > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > > > Courses in English and German
> > > > >
> > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2010/12/4 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1, with CDI you would be able to
> > simply @Inject
> > > > all your needed
> > > > > > parameters. In general I'd say that one
> > should
> > > > generally use CDI instead
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the JSF @ManagedBean mechanism.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LieGrue,
> > > > > > strub
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Jakob Korherr
> > <jakob.korherr@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Jakob Korherr <jakob.korherr@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: myfaces popularity
> > > > > > > To: "MyFaces Discussion" <users@myfaces.apache.org>
> > > > > > > Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010,
> > 3:45 PM
> > > > > > > ... or, you know, use CDI for
> > your
> > > > > > > managed beans ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Jakob
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2010/12/4 Jakob Korherr <jakob.korherr@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, I just skimmed your
> > mail, but
> > > > for your last
> > > > > > > point
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>Finally, what's the
> > correct way to
> > > > implement an
> > > > > > > editor action? The managed
> > > > > > > >>bean needs to be
> > initialized before
> > > > rendering it.
> > > > > > > So instead of invoking the
> > > > > > > >>no-arg constructor, I want
> > something
> > > > like:
> > > > > > > >>Foo(id)
> > > > > > > >>to be invoked.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you can use a no-arg
> > constructor and an
> > > > init method
> > > > > > > annotated with
> > > > > > > > @PostConstruct. So something
> > like
> > > > this:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > @PostConstruct
> > > > > > > > private void init() { // init
> > bean here
> > > > }
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, you can't pass
> > arguments
> > > > neither to the
> > > > > > > constructor nor to
> > > > > > > > this init method. You need to
> > 1) get
> > > > everything you
> > > > > > > need from the
> > > > > > > > context or 2) set them from
> > outside via
> > > > setter
> > > > > > > methods.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Jakob
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2010/12/3 ken keller <klrfin@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > >> My last startup is
> > > > www.collectrium.com. We use
> > > > > > > AWS/py/django. This was my
> > > > > > > >> first non-Java app &
> > I missed
> > > > strong typing.
> > > > > > > django's template language is
> > > > > > > >> verbose & there's not
> > much of a
> > > > widget
> > > > > > > library. So I'm back to Java. AWS
> > > > > > > >> avoids setting up a data
> > center (as
> > > > co-founder of
> > > > > > > IGN.com, I don't miss
> > > > > > > >> managing 1,000 servers)
> > but one
> > > > still must manage
> > > > > > > the OS & scaling. So I'm
> > > > > > > >> trying appengine.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> jsf's attractions are
> > validation,
> > > > data binding,
> > > > > > > component model, component
> > > > > > > >> libraries. Too bad it
> > doesn't
> > > > include safe HTML
> > > > > > > (ala
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/doc/latest/ReleaseNotes.html#SafeHtml)
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > >> it should be easy to wrap
> > text
> > > > components. Too bad
> > > > > > > the component library
> > > > > > > >> suppliers won't rally
> > around a
> > > > standard
> > > > > > > look-&-feel so one could mix
> > > > > > > >> components.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I like gwt but it doesn't
> > have
> > > > validation &
> > > > > > > SEO is too hard. I might use gwt
> > > > > > > >> for editing functionality
> > & a
> > > > lightweight
> > > > > > > template language (which doesn't
> > > > > > > >> require a servlet
> > container or mock
> > > > for unit
> > > > > > > testing) like freemarker for
> > > > > > > >> browsing functionality.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> My current startup is a
> > > > productivity tool in the
> > > > > > > cloud. I hope it will be
> > > > > > > >> used by many people of
> > course.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I'm using IntelliJ &
> > appengine
> > > > 1.3.8. From my
> > > > > > > web.xml:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > <context-param>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > <param-name>com.sun.faces.expressionFactory</param-name>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > <param-value>com.sun.el.ExpressionFactoryImpl</param-value>
> > > > > > > >>
> > </context-param>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> From my pom.xml:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>  <dependency>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >>   <groupId>javax.el</groupId>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >>   <artifactId>el-api</artifactId>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >>   <version>2.2</version>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >>   </dependency>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >>   <dependency>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > <groupId>org.glassfish.web</groupId>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >>   <artifactId>el-impl</artifactId>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >>   <version>2.2</version>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >>   </dependency>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> When I run the app, the
> > log shows:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> INFO: Either you haven't
> > specified
> > > > the
> > > > > > > ExpressionFactory implementation,
> > or
> > > > > > > >> an error occured while
> > > > instantiating the
> > > > > > > implementation you've specified.
> > > > > > > >> However, attempting to
> > load a
> > > > known
> > > > > > > implementation.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> The app works but I
> > wonder why.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I'm having trouble w/
> > primefaces
> > > > too.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Finally, what's the
> > correct way to
> > > > implement an
> > > > > > > editor action? The managed
> > > > > > > >> bean needs to be
> > initialized before
> > > > rendering it.
> > > > > > > So instead of invoking the
> > > > > > > >> no-arg constructor, I
> > want
> > > > something like:
> > > > > > > >> Foo(id)
> > > > > > > >> to be invoked.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at
> > 10:04 AM,
> > > > Kito Mann <kito.mann@virtua.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> Hello Ken,
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> There's definitely a
> > lot of
> > > > activity in the
> > > > > > > JSF world, and it's used by a
> > > > > > > >>> lot of large and
> > smaller
> > > > companies (see
> > > > > > http://www.javaserverfaces.org/for
> > > > > > > >>> a list of sites built
> > using JSF
> > > > or Seam under
> > > > > > > "JSF in Production"). There
> > > > > > > >>> are a variety of
> > industries,
> > > > but it's quite
> > > > > > > popular in Finance (banks and
> > > > > > > >>> insurance
> > companies).
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> In terms of active
> > development,
> > > > you can just
> > > > > > > look at the recent releases to
> > > > > > > >>> see there's a lot
> > going on.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> It's worthwhile also
> > to point
> > > > out that
> > > > > > > Trinidad is used as the
> > foundation
> > > > > > > >>> for all of the Oracle
> > Fusion
> > > > applications.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> What sort of
> > application is
> > > > your startup
> > > > > > > intending to build with MyFaces?
> > > > > > > >>> ---
> > > > > > > >>> Kito D. Mann |
> > twitter: kito99
> > > > | Author, JSF
> > > > > > > in Action
> > > > > > > >>> Virtua, Inc. | http://www.virtua.com | JSF/Java
EE
> > > > > > > training and consulting
> > > > > > > >>> http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer
> > > > > > > Faces FAQ, news, and info |
> > > > > > > >>> twitter:
> > > > > > > >>> jsfcentral
> > > > > > > >>> +1 203-404-4848 x3
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Public JSF 2 Training
> > this
> > > > January in London:
> > > > > > > JSF 2 Update for JSF 1.x
> > > > > > > >>> users
> > > > > > > >>> (http://bit.ly/jsf2updatecourse<
> > > > > > > >>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/jsf2-update-course
> >)
> > > > > > > >>> and JSF 2 in Action
> > > > > > > >>> (http://bit.ly/jsf2course<
> > > > > > > >>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/jsf-and-ajax>
> > > > > > > >>> )
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010
> > at 11:44
> > > > AM, ken keller
> > > > > > > <klrfin@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> > 1Mpvs/day on
> > which URL?
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > mojarra looks
> > inactive:
> > > > > > > >>> > http://java.net/projects/mojarra/lists
> > > > > > > >>> > The richfaces
> > team seems
> > > > to prefer
> > > > > > > mojarra to myfaces. Given the
> > effort
> > > > > > > >>> > being devoted to
> > richfaces
> > > > &
> > > > > > > primefaces atop jsf2, one would
> > think there
> > > > > > > >>> > would be much
> > more
> > > > activity on the
> > > > > > > lists.
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > I've posted
> > twice over the
> > > > last few
> > > > > > > months about
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > javax.faces.application.ViewExpiredException
> > > > > > > >>> > thrown on
> > appengine but
> > > > nobody replied.
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > http://www.irian.at/myfaces_support
> > > > > > > >>> > costs $5,300/yr
> > for basic
> > > > > > > support--$10,600 for advanced. My
> > startup
> > > > can't
> > > > > > > >>> > afford
> > this--especially
> > > > without trying it
> > > > > > > first--perhaps a paygo option.
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > I haven't
> > studied the
> > > > source code to see
> > > > > > > if there's unit testing.
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > As compelling as
> > jsf2 is,
> > > > I'm scared to
> > > > > > > bet my startup on it.
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Dec 3,
> > 2010 at
> > > > 12:30 AM, Mark
> > > > > > > Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> > > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > > Hi!
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > With the
> > pretty fast
> > > > development on
> > > > > > > the spec side (last year 2.0,
> > last
> > > > > > > >>> > week
> > > > > > > >>> > > 2.1 -
> > thanks Ed!)
> > > > there is a very
> > > > > > > steady development going on atm.
> > Also
> > > > > > > >>> > > remember
> > that EE6 is
> > > > pretty fresh.
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > So while
> > there is
> > > > currently not that
> > > > > > > much traffic on the users@mf list
> > > > > > > >>> > > there is
> > pretty much
> > > > of it on the
> > > > > > > dev list atm.
> > > > > > > >>> > > The move
> > from JSF-1.x
> > > > to JSF-2.x is
> > > > > > > still to be done for most of the
> > > > > > > >>> > legacy
> > > > > > > >>> > > projects,
> > but there
> > > > are a few JFS-2
> > > > > > > projects already in production
> > with
> > > > > > > >>> > lot
> > > > > > > >>> > > of success
> > (we
> > > > currently serve ~ 1
> > > > > > > mio page hits per day with
> > > > > > > >>> MyFaces-2,
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > OpenWebBeans, CODI,
> > > > OpenJPA2 and our
> > > > > > > servers are pretty 'cold')
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > LieGrue,
> > > > > > > >>> > > strub
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > --- On Fri,
> > 12/3/10,
> > > > Matthias
> > > > > > > Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > From:
> > Matthias
> > > > Wessendorf
> > > > > > > <matzew@apache.org>
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > Subject: Re:
> > > > myfaces
> > > > > > > popularity
> > > > > > > >>> > > > To:
> > "MyFaces
> > > > Discussion" <users@myfaces.apache.org>
> > > > > > > >>> > > > Date:
> > Friday,
> > > > December 3, 2010,
> > > > > > > 7:44 AM
> > > > > > > >>> > > > On
> > Fri, Dec 3,
> > > > 2010 at 7:28 AM,
> > > > > > > ken
> > > > > > > >>> > > > keller
> > <klrfin@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > This
> > > > mailing list isn't
> > > > > > > very active. Most of the
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > messages seem to
> > > > be about
> > > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > component
> > > > libs like
> > > > > > > Trinidad.
> > > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > Is myfaces
> > > > popular?
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > yes it
> > is.
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > Wouldn't a
> > > > searchable
> > > > > > > group be more convenient than a
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > mailing list?
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > the
> > archives
> > > > *are* searchable
> > > > > > > (e.g. markmail).
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > --
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > Matthias
> > > > Wessendorf
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > > > blog:
> > http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Jakob Korherr
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> > > > > > > > twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> > > > > > > > work: http://www.irian.at
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jakob Korherr
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> > > > > > > twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> > > > > > > work: http://www.irian.at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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