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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:30:10 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Trinidad consuming 80-90% CPU
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Matthias, I think websphere 6.1 does not support JSF 1.2. I will 
doublecheck, let me know if this is incorrect. This mans I cannot try 
trinidad version 1.2.12

I will try out 1.0.11 release, but that is a minor release update and I 
seriously doubt if it will fix such a performance issue.

What other options do we have? Is there a way we can get somebody 
familiar with trinidad architecture/code to look at this issue? This can 
even be a paid assignment.

Regards
Ravi


Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> Hello Ravi,
> 
> I wonder what our last release for JSF 1.1 (1.0.11) does?
> 
> Not sure, perhaps you may also try the JSF 1.2 version ? (1.2.12)
> The JSF 1.2 version is the one that is best supported, these days.
> 
> Trinidad 2.0 is now in alpha stage, and I can understand that you
> don't want to update on that version, now
> 
> -Matthias
> 
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Ravi <ravikapoor101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Scott, we do not have CPUs available. The time trinidad is consuming is
>> supposed to be doing some other work. Hence this is costing us real dollars
>> and hence our time and effort to resolve this.
>>
>> This is not initial hit of page. I always ignore the first hit on all pages,
>> I am only measuring CPU from 2nd hit onwards.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
>>
>> Scott O'Bryan wrote:
>>> I don't know.  I'm of the camp that if the CPU time is available, use
>>> it.  That said, is this load consistant or are you just testing an
>>> initial hit of each page.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:25 PM, Ravi <ravikapoor101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jan-Kees,
>>>>
>>>> Now that I am reading your message again, I do want to answer your
>>>> questions in detail. First I agree reflection is cheap, that is why
>>>> reflection is not my concern. Time being spent in reflection is
>>>> almost negligible compared to time being spent in trinidad classes.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly IO and locking etc contribute to clock time but not to CPU
>>>> time. e.g. for IO, the thread may be in a wait state waiting for
>>>> data to arrive. In this case, the clock keeps ticking but such a
>>>> wait does not need CPU. My numbers are specifically CPU time. Which
>>>> means trinidad is not waiting but executing CPU instructions.
>>>>
>>>> This is why the user load is also irrelevant (high load leads to
>>>> adding clock time but not to CPU time). But since you asked, to get
>>>> these numbers, I am not doing a load testing. I am simply loading 4
>>>> screens 4 times in order (total 16 screens).
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ravi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan-Kees van Andel wrote:
>>>>> I'm not sure, but I doubt the mailing list supports attachments.
>>>>> Maybe you could provide a link to some image hosting site?
>>>>> My first thought, reflection is darn cheap, especially since Java 5
>>>>> and even more since Java 6. I'm no IBM JVM specialist, but I don't
>>>>> think there are major differences with HotSpot... Compared with SQL
>>>>> queries, backend transactions, web service calls, etc. reflective
>>>>> method invocations really don't make a difference.
>>>>> Having said that, what kind of application are you testing? Does this
>>>>> application have any I/O, locking or other expensive things that may
>>>>> be the cause of the CPU-time imbalance?
>>>>> Also, what kind of load are you simulating on your application? Long
>>>>> sessions with not much users? Lots of short sessions? Hyperactive
>>>>> users without any pauses?
>>>>> /JK
>>>>> Ps. How did you configure your profiler? Sampling or
>>>>> tracing/instrumentation? Although I don't think it makes a difference
>>>>> in this case, sampling is less accurate...
>>>>> 2010/1/8 Ravi Kapoor <ravikapoor101@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> The actual call to getter method is only using 2% CPU. Rest 38% is
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> used within trinidad classes.
>>>>>> I am attaching two screenshots to give you more details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In first screenshot, you can see at the top left corner, total CPU
>>>>>> units
>>>>>> taken by getProperty are 32391
>>>>>> getProperty calls javax.faces.el.ValueBinding.getValue which calls
>>>>>> org.apache.myfaces.el.PropertyResolverImpl.getValue which calls
>>>>>> org.apache.myfaces.el.PropertyResolverImpl.getProperty which calls
>>>>>> java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In second screenshot you can see that Method.invoke is using only
>>>>>> 1781 units
>>>>>> of CPU. Rest of the time is being spent within trinidad classes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this help? Also the rest of trinidad using 45% CPU usage is
>>>>>> also highly
>>>>>> concerning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Ravi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>>>>> <jankeesvanandel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it possible that the getProperty indirectly invokes some
>>>>>>> expensive
>>>>>>> computation? For example, do you have lots of logic inside your
>>>>>>> getters?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jan-Kees
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/1/8 Ravi Kapoor <ravikapoor101@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are the details:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Server: Websphere 6.1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trinidad version: 1.0.7  (We cant upgrade to 2.0 until we upgrade
>>>>>>>> websphere
>>>>>>>> which will happen in due course. Even then if this issue has not
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> addressed, the problem may exist in 2.0 as well.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OS: Windows (Even though I am measuring numbers on windows but I
>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>> think this is OS specific)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know if you need to know anything else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Ravi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>> <matzew@apache.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Ravi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> some more background would be good, e.g. what version of
>>>>>>>>> Trinidad etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Ravi Kapoor
>>>>>>>>> <ravikapoor101@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Has anybody done performance tests on trinidad application. I
>>>>>>>>>> have an
>>>>>>>>>> application and it appears that it is taking 80-90% of CPU in my
>>>>>>>>>> application, thus killing performance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We ran load tests and our CPU went to 100% usage. At this
>>>>>>>>>> point we
>>>>>>>>> measured
>>>>>>>>>> how much time was being taken by each class/method. Here are
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> interesting figures:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CPU usage by all Trinidad + myfaces classes = 80-90%
>>>>>>>>>> Myfaces CPU usage (without trinidad) = 8% (which implies
>>>>>>>>>> trinidad is
>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>> 70-80% of CPU)
>>>>>>>>>> Total time taken by one method
>>>>>>>>>> (org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.bean.FacesBeanImpl.getProperty) =
>>>>>>>>>> 40%
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can anybody confirm that they have seen this behavior?
>>>>>>>>>> Or if somebody can confirm that this does not happen in their
>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>> tests, that should help too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Ravi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>>
>>
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