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From "Scott O'Bryan" <darkar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Doubt about ADF Faces & Trinidad
Date Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:17:20 GMT
How do you know the next drop "won't" be dubbed Trinidad 2.0?  It's 
certainly built off the Trinidad framework and the tag libraries are 
virtually identical.

Scott

Stephen Friedrich wrote:
> Mark Millman wrote:
>> The quality of Trinidad it a testament to how Open Source communities 
>> work best.
>
> Well, ...
> I don't really agree, but maybe I am not involved deeply enough in the 
> community to judge.
> Without wanting to offend anyone personally - it seems to me that
> * it took forever to negotiate the legals of the first adf faces drop, 
> then it took another
>   eternity until Trinidad 1.0 and again it took a series of minor 
> releases until Trinidad was
>   mostly stable
> * Oracle employees still do most of the work
> * many people enjoy working on experimental stuff or whatever else 
> they like, all while
>   bugs that affect basic functionality pile up in Jira
> * documentation is, hm, let's say minimal. There isn't even some kind 
> of visual index to the
>   components. No small usage example at each component's tag docs.
>   That is even a step backwards from ADF Faces.
> * Now instead of working on Trinidad 2.0 Oracle decides to do yet 
> another component library.
>   Discussions about the initial drop are undergoing, so we might see a 
> 1.0 release in 2010.
>   By then it will be largely incompatible to the initial drop with all 
> the subtle difference
>   being poorly documented.
>
> I like JSF in principle, but it is still lacking a professional, 
> complete, standard compliant
> and compatible components set.
>
> Sorry if I sound harsh, but I recently spent so much time debugging 
> and trying to beat
> skinning into form, work around incompatibilities between Trinidad and 
> Seam, etc.
> I ended up writing a couple of custom components for the core 
> functionality.
> All in all the effort would have been smaller if I just went with JSP 
> from the start.
>


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