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From "Dennis Byrne" <>
Subject Re: the sinful JSF in JSP
Date Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:00:04 GMT
They have been fixed in JSF 1.2 .

Dennis Byrne

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Iordanov, Borislav \(GIC\) []
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 02:46 PM
>To: 'MyFaces Discussion'
>Subject: RE: the sinful JSF in JSP 
>Thanks for the pointer!
>JSF has been in development for more than 5 years now, and its
>integration with JSP was explicitly taken into account since the very
>beginning. Those are not minor incompatibilities, they are very close to
>show stoppers! And honestly, the fact that they are "well-known" and
>"discussed" doesn't make them any less serious and surprising (well,
>that's being polite - actually I find them ridiculous; I find it sad
>that, yet again as it so often happens in our industry, a company has
>enough power to practically impose technological standards, but then
>hires people with the wrong set of competencies to develop them).
>PS I apologize for the rant.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis Byrne [] 
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:28 PM
>To: MyFaces Discussion
>Subject: Re: the sinful JSF in JSP 
>Boris, don't let ideas like this influence your development. Despite a
>handful of well known incompatibilities [1], there is nothing wrong with
>writing applications where HTML, JSF, JSP, JSTL and servlets are mixed,
>just as there is nothing wrong with mixing JDBC and an ORM.
>I really wish so many folks in the JSF community hadn't promoted this
>idea. It has been my observation that most of these individuals fall
>into two categories.  There are experts who oversold JSF.  The rest are
>quite new to the field, and are eager to latch on to any kind of
>'hard-and-fast' rule in response to so much complexity and confusion
>that comes w/ each new framework.
>Dennis Byrne
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Iordanov, Borislav \(GIC\) []
>>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 02:00 PM
>>To: 'MyFaces Discussion'
>>Subject: the sinful JSF in JSP 
>>I know it's anathema to use JSF with JSPs, but since people have
>>invested in JSP, it's kind of unavoidable. Also, the mixup of the two
>>technologies is promoted by the JSF spec team. 
>>Now, let's say I want to have a paragraph with text, where the text
>>comes from some managed bean. I do this:
>><h:outputText value="myBean.text"/>
>>This doesn't work because the execution flow of the JSF model doesn't
>>correspond to the flow of source code in my JSP page. Is there a
>>standard way to overcome this problem? 

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