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From "Alexandre Poitras" <alexandre.poit...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: the sinful JSF in JSP
Date Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:26:26 GMT
Not true, it's better but there are still a lot of issues.

On 9/15/06, Dennis Byrne <dennis@dbyrne.net> wrote:
> They have been fixed in JSF 1.2 .
>
> Dennis Byrne
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Iordanov, Borislav \(GIC\) [mailto:boris@miamidade.gov]
> >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 02:46 PM
> >To: 'MyFaces Discussion'
> >Subject: RE: the sinful JSF in JSP
> >
> >Thanks for the pointer!
> >
> >JSF has been in development for more than 5 years now, and its
> >integration with JSP was explicitly taken into account since the very
> >beginning. Those are not minor incompatibilities, they are very close to
> >show stoppers! And honestly, the fact that they are "well-known" and
> >"discussed" doesn't make them any less serious and surprising (well,
> >that's being polite - actually I find them ridiculous; I find it sad
> >that, yet again as it so often happens in our industry, a company has
> >enough power to practically impose technological standards, but then
> >hires people with the wrong set of competencies to develop them).
> >
> >Best,
> >Bolerio
> >
> >PS I apologize for the rant.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dennis Byrne [mailto:dennis@dbyrne.net]
> >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:28 PM
> >To: MyFaces Discussion
> >Subject: Re: the sinful JSF in JSP
> >
> >Boris, don't let ideas like this influence your development. Despite a
> >handful of well known incompatibilities [1], there is nothing wrong with
> >writing applications where HTML, JSF, JSP, JSTL and servlets are mixed,
> >just as there is nothing wrong with mixing JDBC and an ORM.
> >
> >I really wish so many folks in the JSF community hadn't promoted this
> >idea. It has been my observation that most of these individuals fall
> >into two categories.  There are experts who oversold JSF.  The rest are
> >quite new to the field, and are eager to latch on to any kind of
> >'hard-and-fast' rule in response to so much complexity and confusion
> >that comes w/ each new framework.
> >
> >Dennis Byrne
> >
> >[1] http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/06/09/jsf.html
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Iordanov, Borislav \(GIC\) [mailto:boris@miamidade.gov]
> >>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 02:00 PM
> >>To: 'MyFaces Discussion'
> >>Subject: the sinful JSF in JSP
> >>
> >>Guys,
> >>
> >>I know it's anathema to use JSF with JSPs, but since people have
> >already
> >>invested in JSP, it's kind of unavoidable. Also, the mixup of the two
> >>technologies is promoted by the JSF spec team.
> >>
> >>Now, let's say I want to have a paragraph with text, where the text
> >>comes from some managed bean. I do this:
> >>
> >><p>
> >><h:outputText value="myBean.text"/>
> >></p>
> >>
> >>This doesn't work because the execution flow of the JSF model doesn't
> >>correspond to the flow of source code in my JSP page. Is there a
> >>standard way to overcome this problem?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Bolerio
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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