Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-myfaces-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-myfaces-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FED69070 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 42554 invoked by uid 500); 2 Nov 2011 22:57:17 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-myfaces-dev-archive@myfaces.apache.org Received: (qmail 42519 invoked by uid 500); 2 Nov 2011 22:57:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@myfaces.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "MyFaces Development" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@myfaces.apache.org Received: (qmail 42512 invoked by uid 99); 2 Nov 2011 22:57:17 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:57:17 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of mkienenb@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.181] (HELO mail-wy0-f181.google.com) (74.125.82.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:57:13 +0000 Received: by wyg8 with SMTP id 8so806593wyg.12 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:56:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=444QD+o+iFnAz5ZQ6CVTQRk1X7Hxc3D+AeNUKTXfY8E=; b=KGST++DG2dwQ0WIZM38lvtdzT0nCMRmL10p2+HBX8qWTvxbOdzoY1Hv6Ku3QvCTi8w 6k4q2m1r5Q22tF/humtdx1uaUDtpvxwzLq84Gm9tGERrlvOowz2hMhze465vX/e09i47 vqbsf4ZIcorcguZv1aDlCk2xFTI9xLoNEspWw= Received: by 10.227.203.132 with SMTP id fi4mr8529184wbb.6.1320274612074; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:56:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.94.166 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:56:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1319266968.50894.YahooMailNeo@web27808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319274310.93350.YahooMailNeo@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Mike Kienenberger Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 To: MyFaces Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, if that's the case, I don't think we need to make this so complicated= . ******************** If you are an committer for MyFaces, and you are interested in maintaining the html5 subproject, speak up! ******************** If no one speaks up, then we don't have a reason to add it to MyFaces. If someone does, then let's move on and create a subproject. :-) I don't think it was a bad idea to suggest it go into Tomahawk or Sandbox, but if the folks maintaining it don't think that's the best solution, I say let them have a standard sub-project like we've done with everything else. That mode of development is working, and it's a good fit with "those who do the work make the decisions" On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Gerhard Petracek wrote: > hi mike, > > i agree with you and that's the reason why i didn't suggest the > asf-incubator. imo we just need a "quick" community check (esp. for > gsoc projects) because the overall community is pretty clear. > all of our gsoc projects which might become a sub-project started with > one student and we never saw other community members working on them > actively (after gsoc) and the activities of all students decreased (a > lot) after gsoc. > > actually we already changed our approach. before starting codi we made > such a community check. > and yes - in the past we missed to do that with some other > sub-projects - but we learned from it. > > regards, > gerhard > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > 2011/11/2 Mike Kienenberger : >> I guess the question is what are you (all) trying to accomplish? >> >> If we have active committers who want to create an html5 subproject, >> it seems like our policy thus far is to create it. >> >> If we only have a code-dump, it should go through the incubator -- we >> have done this with other things which are now myfaces subprojects. >> If enough of the incubated project members are myfaces committers, >> then it would likely become a myfaces subproject. =A0 If there is no >> overlap, it would have to find its own place. =A0 Working out how much >> is "enough" and training up non-myfaces-committers would be the task >> of incubation. >> >> If the goal is to change our policies for new subprojects, then I >> don't see that incubation or apache labs is really relevant -- we're >> only talking about our own internal organization. =A0 =A0And if we're >> changing our policies, I would hope that whatever we come up with >> applies to all existing projects as well as new projects. =A0Or, in >> other words, we shouldn't be treating the html5 subproject any >> differently than we do anything else. >> >> Sandbox was a good start, but we've been having issues with getting >> things out of sandbox for several years now. =A0 I suspect this is why >> the trend recently has been to skip the sandbox and dive right in with >> a new subproject. >> >> While my personal preference would have been to reform the sandbox, I >> wasn't really doing any of the work. =A0 The folks doing the work have >> been making the subprojects idea succeed, so from a meritocracy point >> of view, I'd say that's the future, until something else better comes >> along. >> >> Maybe we're now at the point where some of us do want to see if we can >> come up with something better. =A0Like I said, I personally think our >> explosion of subprojects is disorganized and confusing. =A0 But if >> that's our goal, let's say so, and apply it to everything. =A0In the >> meantime, my opinion is that if we have html5 committers, we allow the >> html5 committers to have a subproject and move forward with a release. >> >> Regards, >> Mike >> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek >> wrote: >>> @matthias: >>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the >>> incubator for building a community (see [1]). >>> >>> regards, >>> gerhard >>> >>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> Courses in English and German >>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>> >>> >>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf : >>>> that's stupid :-) >>>> >>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) >>>> >>>> -M >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok wrote: >>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases= . >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Android >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> see [1] - esp.: >>>>>> >>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovati= ve, >>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fit= ting in an >>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it... >>>>>> >>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check= " >>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator >>>>>> itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> gerhard >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf : >>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? >>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for >>>>>> > future experiments ?! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -M >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok wrote= : >>>>>> >> Hi, >>>>>> >> So do you think=A0 myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? >>>>>> >> Greetings, >>>>>> >> Ali >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok wrot= e: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be p= art of >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>>>>> >>>> project-ideas >>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. >>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to >>>>>> >>> somewhere >>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it. >>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releas= es and >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo. >>>>>> >>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>> Ali >>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg >>>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :) >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subp= roject >>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront be= fore >>>>>> >>>> importing. >>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects develop= ed >>>>>> >>>> outside >>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots = of >>>>>> >>>> paperwork >>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1 >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>>>> >>>> strub >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek >>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development >>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). >>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that somet= hing >>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the comm= unity, >>>>>> >>>> > we can >>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year= . imo >>>>>> >>>> > it's >>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we= don't >>>>>> >>>> > have the >>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >regards, >>>>>> >>>> >gerhard >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be= part >>>>>> >>>> >> of >>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project. >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But b= efore >>>>>> >>>> >> a >>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>Regards >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >>>>>> >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 suppor= t. >>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that = we >>>>>> >>>> >>> won't >>>>>> >>>> >>> promote >>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components. >>>>>> >>>> >>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support them= selfs? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) ca= lendar >>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a >>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> =A0bbbb //fallback >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> } >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure htm= l5 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox= is >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the san= dbox >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't=A0justify an own sub-proje= ct.=A0i >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. becaus= e the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed). >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those art= ifact >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the cha= nce to >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software= that >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. = ...". >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek : >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial i= mport. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very=A0promising. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however,=A0since we haven't seen a lot of activity, = we >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw.=A0tomahawk-sandbox). >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project.=A0Leonardo and= =A0I am the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, = so the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't en= ough >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every b= rowser >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old brow= sers >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future:=A0there is a lot to do in this ar= ea and I >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we shou= ld do >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project,= more >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we sho= uld do >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss th= e >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfa= ces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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