Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-myfaces-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-myfaces-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C25590E0 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29471 invoked by uid 500); 2 Nov 2011 12:22:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-myfaces-dev-archive@myfaces.apache.org Received: (qmail 29390 invoked by uid 500); 2 Nov 2011 12:22:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@myfaces.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "MyFaces Development" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@myfaces.apache.org Received: (qmail 29383 invoked by uid 99); 2 Nov 2011 12:22:39 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:22:39 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of gerhard.petracek@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.160.181] (HELO mail-gy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.160.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:22:34 +0000 Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so70002gyd.12 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 05:22:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8sBa+RM/hcArqU9biHwQCShrPDWaqi/Z0mj2roAB+Lg=; b=p65Ad45+Z3VcJ520PRd6/ffuaB9uB3aIboIP5O1Fs06kvgDQb9M3NgplD5+rmscTii MWU57XAH28PbC5zIfWGmnKM3SoNDiNitiOZAEuAoHRAZTXMpki/MlAJDoBh3aU+SNAjZ zlG1RzaFZxsX2dGeFhh/dI1wESOQ9NQ/K8nQo= Received: by 10.236.138.47 with SMTP id z35mr6289455yhi.56.1320236532153; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 05:22:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.95.135 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 05:21:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1319266968.50894.YahooMailNeo@web27808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319274310.93350.YahooMailNeo@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Gerhard Petracek Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:21:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 To: MyFaces Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org see [1] - esp.: >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, blu= e-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an e= xisting project bylaw or building a community around it... we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check" -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator itself. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf : > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for > future experiments ?! > > -M > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok wrote: >> Hi, >> So do you think=A0 myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? >> Greetings, >> Ali >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >>>> >>>> the tomahawk project >>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. >>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-id= eas >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects). >>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewher= e >>> else, I am also ok with it. >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and = the >>> jars are deployed to maven repo. >>> Cheers, >>> Ali >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg wro= te: >>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :) >>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before >>>> importing. >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outs= ide >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of pape= rwork >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). >>>> >>>> Thus a +1 >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>> strub >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek >>>> >To: MyFaces Development >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, = we can >>>> > discuss the correct place for it. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo i= t's >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't = have the >>>> > resources/community to maintain them. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >regards, >>>> >gerhard >>>> > >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>> > >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>> > >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann >>>> > >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >>>> >> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part o= f >>>> >>the tomahawk project. >>>> >> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >>>> >> >>>> >>Regards >>>> >> >>>> >>Bernd >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won'= t >>>> >>> promote >>>> >>> incompatible components. >>>> >>> regards, >>>> >>> gerhard >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar >>>> >>>> when a >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){ >>>> >>>> aaaa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> } else{ >>>> >>>> =A0bbbb //fallback >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> } >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 >>>> >>>> rendering, >>>> >>>> isn't? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>> >>>> strub >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1 >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >regards, >>>> >>>> >gerhard >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for >>>> >>>> > this >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox mo= re >>>> >>>> > often and >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >>>> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo, >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't=A0justify an own sub-project.=A0i >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the >>>> >>>> >>> situation >>>> >>>> >>> changed). >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards, >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact >>>> >>>> >>>> can't >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to >>>> >>>> >>>> know if >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide >>>> >>>> >>>> what to >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after"= a >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that h= as >>>> >>>> >>>> just >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I >>>> >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek : >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. >>>> >>>> >>>>> that >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look >>>> >>>> >>>>> very=A0promising. >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >>>> >>>> >>>>> however,=A0since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we shou= ld >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw.=A0tomahawk-sandbox). >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project.=A0Leonardo and=A0I am t= he only >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement alread= y >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser = and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers ou= t >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future:=A0there is a lot to do in this area and = I am >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do a= n >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do = an >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the futur= e >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces htm= l5 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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