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From Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Date Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:21:51 GMT
see [1] - esp.:

>Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, blue-sky and off-the-wall
ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an existing project bylaw or building a community
around it...

we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
-> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
itself.

regards,
gerhard

[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html

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2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
> I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
> Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
> future experiments ?!
>
> -M
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> So do you think  myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>> Greetings,
>> Ali
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>>
>>>> the tomahawk project
>>>
>>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>>
>>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
>>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>
>>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
>>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
>>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ali
>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>>
>>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>> importing.
>>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
>>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
>>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>>
>>>> Thus a +1
>>>>
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >________________________________
>>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
we can
>>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
>>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
have the
>>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >regards,
>>>> >gerhard
>>>> >
>>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >
>>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >
>>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
of
>>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
a
>>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Regards
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Bernd
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >><gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
won't
>>>> >>> promote
>>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>> >>> regards,
>>>> >>> gerhard
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
calendar
>>>> >>>> when a
>>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> } else{
>>>> >>>>  bbbb //fallback
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> }
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> ?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>> >>>> strub
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.grant@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox
is for
>>>> >>>> > this
>>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the
sandbox more
>>>> >>>> > often and
>>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own
sub-project. i
>>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp.
because the
>>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox
is those artifact
>>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give
us the chance to
>>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback,
and later decide
>>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some
artifacts "after" a
>>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means
"... software that has
>>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial
test inhouse. ...". I
>>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after
the initial import.
>>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to
continue.
>>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot
of activity, we should
>>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering
in the release.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing
the future.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo
and I am the only
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project
1 night a week, so the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this
for a while.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features
to implement already
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add
more. There isn't enough
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not
supported by every browser and
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile
is more like enthusiasts
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback
for old browsers out
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot
to do in this area and I am
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare
limited time.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this
mail. I think we should do an
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons
to block a release.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good
for the project, more
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can
get some feedback.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM,
Werner Punz
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.punz@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb
Leonardo Uribe:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of
this mail. I think we should do an
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons
to block a release.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it,
we should (imo) discuss the future
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse
-
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development
and
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English
and German
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support
for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo
Uribe<lu4242@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good
to do an alpha release of myfaces html5
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this
project is:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections
I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>--
>>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>
>>
>>
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