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From Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Date Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:13:59 GMT
@matthias:
apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
incubator for building a community (see [1]).

regards,
gerhard

[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html

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2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
> that's stupid :-)
>
> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>
> -M
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>
>> Sent from Android
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>
>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in
an
>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>
>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>> itself.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>
>>> http://www.irian.at
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>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>> > future experiments ?!
>>> >
>>> > -M
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >> So do you think  myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>> >> Greetings,
>>> >> Ali
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be
part of
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>> >>> somewhere
>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases
and
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>> >>> Cheers,
>>> >>> Ali
>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront
before
>>> >>>> importing.
>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>> >>>> outside
>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots
of
>>> >>>> paperwork
>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>> >>>> strub
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for
new
>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that
something
>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the
community,
>>> >>>> > we can
>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every
year. imo
>>> >>>> > it's
>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project
and we don't
>>> >>>> > have the
>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >regards,
>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
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>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should
not be part
>>> >>>> >> of
>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release.
But before
>>> >>>> >> a
>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>> >>>> >><gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of
html5 support.
>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to
ensure that we
>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy
at all.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html
support themselfs?
>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or
whatever) calendar
>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>> >>>> >>>>  bbbb //fallback
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support
pure html5
>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for
myfaces html5
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.grant@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point
of the sandbox is
>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should
look at the sandbox
>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard
Petracek
>>> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify
an own sub-project. i
>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should
discuss it (esp. because the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache
MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk
sandbox is those artifact
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha
release give us the chance to
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get
more feedback, and later
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people
only test some artifacts
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha
release means "... software that
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for
its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek
<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened
"directly" after the initial import.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that
you plan to continue.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't
seen a lot of activity, we
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components
to tomahawk
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development
and
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and
German
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for
Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo
for volunteering in the release.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good
discussing the future.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working
on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work
on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will
be like this for a while.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues
to fix / features to implement
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am
going to add more. There isn't enough
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff
is still not supported by every browser
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the
user profile is more like
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with
Html5.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is
providing fallback for old browsers
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard
to implement.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there
is a lot to do in this area and I
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say
I can spare limited time.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention
of this mail. I think we should do
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't
see reasons to block a release.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a
release is good for the project, more
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully
we can get some feedback.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011
at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.punz@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56
PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the
intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I
don't see reasons to block a release.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21
Gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before
we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF
powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting,
Development and
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses
in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional
Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21
Leonardo Uribe<lu4242@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It
could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The
site for this project is:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If
no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo
Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
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>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >
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>>> >
>>
>
>
>
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