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From Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Date Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:29:42 GMT
hi matthias,

> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO

agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]).
however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started
with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project
and imo we have to continue with this approach.

regards,
gerhard

[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html

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2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> @matthias:
>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>
> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>
> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc))
>
> -M
>
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
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>>
>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
>>> that's stupid :-)
>>>
>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Android
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting
in an
>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>>>
>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>
>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>
>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>>>> > future experiments ?!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -M
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
wrote:
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >> So do you think  myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>>>> >> Greetings,
>>>>> >> Ali
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should
not be part of
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator
for new
>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project
to
>>>>> >>> somewhere
>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for
releases and
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>>> >>> Ali
>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and
a mf subproject
>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this
upfront before
>>>>> >>>> importing.
>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects
developed
>>>>> >>>> outside
>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes
lots of
>>>>> >>>> paperwork
>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>> >>>> strub
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator
for new
>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we
see that something
>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works
for the community,
>>>>> >>>> > we can
>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces)
every year. imo
>>>>> >>>> > it's
>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project
and we don't
>>>>> >>>> > have the
>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only
it should not be part
>>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha
release. But before
>>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>> >>>> >><gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some
sort of html5 support.
>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg
to ensure that we
>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our
html5 strategy at all.
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy
html support themselfs?
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use
jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of
the developer?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>>>> >>>> >>>>  bbbb //fallback
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components
'only' support pure html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011
10:22 PM
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release
for myfaces html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache
MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.grant@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The
whole point of the sandbox is
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps
we should look at the sandbox
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready
to "graduate".
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12
PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify
an own sub-project. i
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we
should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development
and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and
German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for
Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe
<lu4242@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move
to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released.
Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough,
get more feedback, and later
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some
people only test some artifacts
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an
alpha release means "... software that
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready
for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard
Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened
"directly" after the initial import.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to
hear that you plan to continue.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since
we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move
the components to tomahawk
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse
-
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting,
Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English
and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support
for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali
Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you
Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would
be good discussing the future.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still
working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying
to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think
it will be like this for a while.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a
few issues to fix / features to implement
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and
I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5
stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them.
So the user profile is more like
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting
with Html5.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could
do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is
really hard to implement.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the
future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but
I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's
the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release.
I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty
sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it;
and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct
21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.punz@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11
7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's
the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release.
I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo
Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21
Gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
future
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
of this
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
module.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4242@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
next
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
week.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
The site for this project is:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
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>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information
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>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems,
LLC.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> --
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