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From Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Date Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:56 GMT
hi ali,

labs doesn't solve our issue. we need a community check and that isn't the
task of apache-labs.
if we find a solution for new projects in general (esp. gsoc projects), we
can handle html5-components the same way.
the community check is one goal of the apache-incubator. however, imo the
asf-incubator is difficult for such small modules and therefore i suggested
the internal incubator (or however we should call it).

regards,
gerhard

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2011/11/7 Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>

> Hi,
> I think we're unable to decide. If you also think so, I'd suggest moving
> project to labs.
> It is better for the project than having an indefinite status.
>
> We don't need a voting for that too right?
>
> Cheers,
> Ali
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> > <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> hi matthias,
>> >>
>> >>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>> >>
>> >> agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]).
>> >> however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started
>> >> with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project
>> >> and imo we have to continue with this approach.
>> >
>> > not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see
>> > Labs as a good area fo GSoC)
>>
>> but also - not sure if changes are coming (soon) :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > -M
>> >
>> >>
>> >> regards,
>> >> gerhard
>> >>
>> >> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>> >>
>> >> http://www.irian.at
>> >>
>> >> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >> Courses in English and German
>> >>
>> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> @matthias:
>> >>>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
>> >>>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>> >>>
>> >>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>> >>>
>> >>> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
>> >>> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github
>> etc))
>> >>>
>> >>> -M
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> regards,
>> >>>> gerhard
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
>> >>>>> that's stupid :-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to
>> p.a.o/~asf-id)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -M
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make
>> releases.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sent from Android
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <
>> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on
>> innovative,
>> >>>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about
>> fitting in an
>> >>>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community
>> check"
>> >>>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>> >>>>>>> itself.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
>> >>>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>> >>>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs...
>> for
>> >>>>>>> > future experiments ?!
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > -M
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >> Hi,
>> >>>>>>> >> So do you think  myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>> >>>>>>> >> Greetings,
>> >>>>>>> >> Ali
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
>> be part of
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> >>>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>> >>>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>> >>>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>> >>>>>>> >>> somewhere
>> >>>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>> >>>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for
>> releases and
>> >>>>>>> >>> the
>> >>>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>> >>>>>>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>> >>> Ali
>> >>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <
>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf
>> subproject
>> >>>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront
>> before
>> >>>>>>> >>>> importing.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects
>> developed
>> >>>>>>> >>>> outside
>> >>>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes
>> lots of
>> >>>>>>> >>>> paperwork
>> >>>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> strub
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that
>> something
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the
>> community,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > we can
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every
>> year. imo
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > it's
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and
>> we don't
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > have the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
>> be part
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >> of
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release.
>> But before
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >> a
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >><gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5
>> support.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure
>> that we
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at
>> all.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support
>> themselfs?
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
>> calendar
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>  bbbb //fallback
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure
>> html5
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.grant@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the
>> sandbox is
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the
>> sandbox
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own
>> sub-project. i
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp.
>> because the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those
>> artifact
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the
>> chance to
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and
>> later
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some
>> artifacts
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "...
>> software that
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test
>> inhouse. ...".
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <
>> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the
>> initial import.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity,
>> we
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the
>> release.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo
>> and I am the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a
>> week, so the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to
>> implement
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't
>> enough
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by
>> every browser
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old
>> browsers
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this
>> area and I
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
>> should do
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the
>> project, more
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.punz@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
>> should do
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a
>> release.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss
>> the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4242@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of
>> myfaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>> --
>> >>>>>>> >>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>>>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> --
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>> >>>>>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > --
>> >>>>>>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>>>>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>>>>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>
>> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
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>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >
>> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >
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>>
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>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>
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> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
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